I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
not have permissions, etc.
I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
Tivos can access the internet and each other.
I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
#2.
I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
either.
It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
as possible.
I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
would call my expertise level at about medium.
<blaframb@cox.net> wrote in message
news:476b25d3-725c-4963-8923-b9bcd1ebc89e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
> One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
> wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
> desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
> checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
> is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
> not have permissions, etc.
>
> I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
> Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
> checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
> shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
> computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
> laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> #2.
>
> I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> either.
>
> It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
> over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
> possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> as possible.
>
> I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
> would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> Thanks.
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:30:09 -0800 (PST), blaframb@cox.net wrote:
>I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
>One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
>The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
>ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
>wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
>access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
>desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
>checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
>is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
>not have permissions, etc.
>
>I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
>contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
>internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
>Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
>I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
>act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
>checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
>shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
>computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
>laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
>but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
>#2.
>
>I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
>whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
>either.
>
>It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
>over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
>access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
>possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
>all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
>as possible.
>
>I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
>would call my expertise level at about medium.
What you're describing sounds like a misconfigured personal firewall, or other
security program. What anti-virus program do you use??
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ther-help.html
You also state:
>I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on
This may be part of the problem. If the two desktops are the browser
infrastructure, and you leave them off, you should expect to get your errors
>... the workgroup is not accessible. You may not have permissions, etc.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...isibility.html
--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
On Jan 29, 10:07*am, "Chuck [MVP]" <n...@example.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:30:09 -0800 (PST), blafr...@cox.net wrote:
> >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. *One wireless laptop.
> >One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> >The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> >ago when I purchased a new router. *Now the laptop and one of the
> >wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> >access each other through the network shortcuts. *Neither can access
> >desktop # 2. *But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. *The last time I
> >checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. *The error I receive
> >is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. *You may
> >not have permissions, etc.
>
> >I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> >contectivity. *All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> >internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. *The
> >Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> >I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> >act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. *I've
> >checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). *The router
> >shows everything is connected. *I've changed the name of each
> >computer. *I've changed the name of the workgroup. *For a time the
> >laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> >but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> >#2.
>
> >I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> >whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> >either.
>
> >It is important that I get this resolved. *I back a lot of work up
> >over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> >access to that PC over the network. *I'm also looking at the
> >possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> >all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> >as possible.
>
> >I would appreciate any help. *I set the whole thing up originally, but
> >would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> Whenever you involve new equipment, you introduce new settings.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-equipment-in-your-lan.html>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/0...-your-lan.html
>
> What you're describing sounds like a misconfigured personal firewall, or other
> security program. *What anti-virus program do you use??
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith...>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ewall-can-eith...
>
> You also state:>I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on
>
> This may be part of the problem. *If the two desktops are the browser
> infrastructure, and you leave them off, you should expect to get your errors>... the workgroup is not accessible. *You may not have permissions, etc..
>
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-vis...>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...-workgroup-vis...
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My * * * *email * * * * is * * * * *AT * * * * DOT
> * *actual * * * address * *pchuck * * * mvps * * * *org.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks Chuck, I use McAfee on all the machines. The two desktops I
haven't turned on are not used very often and are off most of the
time. Is it possible that one of them took over infrastructure duties
after connecting the new router? To be honest, we are reaching into
areas I know little about.
I will also attempt to run Net View as suggested above (if I can
figure out how). I guess I've been lucky because all the home
networks I've set up work with very little messing around. I was not
prepared for this.
On Jan 29, 10:02*am, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
<blinNoEmailple...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Sounds like computer browser issue. In each computer, use net view command..
> Do you receive system error 53? Compare the difference of the results.
>
> --
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>
> <blafr...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:476b25d3-725c-4963-8923-b9bcd1ebc89e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. *One wireless laptop.
> > One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> > The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> > ago when I purchased a new router. *Now the laptop and one of the
> > wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> > access each other through the network shortcuts. *Neither can access
> > desktop # 2. *But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. *The last time I
> > checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. *The error I receive
> > is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. *You may
> > not have permissions, etc.
>
> > I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> > contectivity. *All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> > internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. *The
> > Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> > I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> > act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. *I've
> > checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). *The router
> > shows everything is connected. *I've changed the name of each
> > computer. *I've changed the name of the workgroup. *For a time the
> > laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> > but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> > #2.
>
> > I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> > whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> > either.
>
> > It is important that I get this resolved. *I back a lot of work up
> > over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> > access to that PC over the network. *I'm also looking at the
> > possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> > all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> > as possible.
>
> > I would appreciate any help. *I set the whole thing up originally, but
> > would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks Robert. I will see if I can get these results this evening
when I get home. Is there anything in particular I should be looking
for? What happens if I get error 53?
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:25:19 -0800 (PST), Beej <blaframb@cox.net> wrote:
>On Jan 29, 10:07*am, "Chuck [MVP]" <n...@example.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:30:09 -0800 (PST), blafr...@cox.net wrote:
>> >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. *One wireless laptop.
>> >One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>>
>> >The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
>> >ago when I purchased a new router. *Now the laptop and one of the
>> >wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
>> >access each other through the network shortcuts. *Neither can access
>> >desktop # 2. *But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. *The last time I
>> >checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. *The error I receive
>> >is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. *You may
>> >not have permissions, etc.
>>
>> >I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
>> >contectivity. *All three of the PCs in question have access to the
>> >internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. *The
>> >Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>>
>> >I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
>> >act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. *I've
>> >checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). *The router
>> >shows everything is connected. *I've changed the name of each
>> >computer. *I've changed the name of the workgroup. *For a time the
>> >laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
>> >but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
>> >#2.
>>
>> >I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
>> >whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
>> >either.
>>
>> >It is important that I get this resolved. *I back a lot of work up
>> >over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
>> >access to that PC over the network. *I'm also looking at the
>> >possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
>> >all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
>> >as possible.
>>
>> >I would appreciate any help. *I set the whole thing up originally, but
>> >would call my expertise level at about medium.
>>
>> Whenever you involve new equipment, you introduce new settings.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-equipment-in-your-lan.html>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/0...-your-lan.html
>>
>> What you're describing sounds like a misconfigured personal firewall, or other
>> security program. *What anti-virus program do you use??
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith...>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ewall-can-eith...
>>
>> You also state:>I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on
>>
>> This may be part of the problem. *If the two desktops are the browser
>> infrastructure, and you leave them off, you should expect to get your errors>... the workgroup is not accessible. *You may not have permissions, etc.
>>
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-vis...>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...-workgroup-vis...
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Thanks Chuck, I use McAfee on all the machines. The two desktops I
>haven't turned on are not used very often and are off most of the
>time. Is it possible that one of them took over infrastructure duties
>after connecting the new router? To be honest, we are reaching into
>areas I know little about.
>
>I will also attempt to run Net View as suggested above (if I can
>figure out how). I guess I've been lucky because all the home
>networks I've set up work with very little messing around. I was not
>prepared for this.
>
>Bryan
Bryan,
Running browstat is the best way to find out what master browsers you have. You
need to tune the master browser setup, and designate 1 (or 2) browsers that will
be computers on and online 7 x 24.
Check McAfee documentation very carefully, and look for an anti-worm component,
or similar. That will act as a firewall, and block SMBs. And if you put in a
new router, you may have a different subnet for the LAN, so check all IP
settings and update wherever necessary.
Read all posts cited above and below, as carefully as possible, and follow links
for details.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...lways-see.html
--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
System error 53 means name resolution issue or a security software blocks
accessing. This link may help more details.
System ErrorsSystem error 51 and 67 System error 52 - You were not connected
because a duplicate name exists on the network. System error 53 - The
network path was not ... www.chicagotech.net/systemerrors.htm
"Beej" <blaframb@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Jan 29, 10:02 am, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
<blinNoEmailple...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Sounds like computer browser issue. In each computer, use net view
> command.
> Do you receive system error 53? Compare the difference of the results.
>
> --
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting
> onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access
> onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>
> <blafr...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:476b25d3-725c-4963-8923-b9bcd1ebc89e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
> > One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> > The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> > ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
> > wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> > access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
> > desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
> > checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
> > is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
> > not have permissions, etc.
>
> > I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> > contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> > internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
> > Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> > I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> > act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
> > checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
> > shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
> > computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
> > laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> > but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> > #2.
>
> > I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> > whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> > either.
>
> > It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
> > over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> > access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
> > possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> > all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> > as possible.
>
> > I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
> > would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks Robert. I will see if I can get these results this evening
when I get home. Is there anything in particular I should be looking
for? What happens if I get error 53?
On Jan 29, 1:03*pm, "Chuck [MVP]" <n...@example.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:25:19 -0800 (PST), Beej <blafr...@cox.net> wrote:
> >On Jan 29, 10:07*am, "Chuck [MVP]" <n...@example.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:30:09 -0800 (PST), blafr...@cox.net wrote:
> >> >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. *One wireless laptop.
> >> >One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> >> >The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> >> >ago when I purchased a new router. *Now the laptop and one of the
> >> >wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> >> >access each other through the network shortcuts. *Neither can access
> >> >desktop # 2. *But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. *The last time I
> >> >checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. *The error I receive
> >> >is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. *You may
> >> >not have permissions, etc.
>
> >> >I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> >> >contectivity. *All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> >> >internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. *The
> >> >Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> >> >I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> >> >act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. *I've
> >> >checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). *The router
> >> >shows everything is connected. *I've changed the name of each
> >> >computer. *I've changed the name of the workgroup. *For a time the
> >> >laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> >> >but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> >> >#2.
>
> >> >I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> >> >whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> >> >either.
>
> >> >It is important that I get this resolved. *I back a lot of work up
> >> >over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> >> >access to that PC over the network. *I'm also looking at the
> >> >possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> >> >all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> >> >as possible.
>
> >> >I would appreciate any help. *I set the whole thing up originally, but
> >> >would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> >> Whenever you involve new equipment, you introduce new settings.
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-equipment-in-your-lan.html>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2008/0...-your-lan.html
>
> >> What you're describing sounds like a misconfigured personal firewall, or other
> >> security program. *What anti-virus program do you use??
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-eith....>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ewall-can-eith...
>
> >> You also state:>I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on
>
> >> This may be part of the problem. *If the two desktops are the browser
> >> infrastructure, and you leave them off, you should expect to get your errors>... the workgroup is not accessible. *You may not have permissions, etc.
>
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-vis....>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/1...-workgroup-vis...
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Thanks Chuck, *I use McAfee on all the machines. *The two desktops I
> >haven't turned on are not used very often and are off most of the
> >time. *Is it possible that one of them took over infrastructure duties
> >after connecting the new router? *To be honest, we are reaching into
> >areas I know little about.
>
> >I will also attempt to run Net View as suggested above (if I can
> >figure out how). *I guess I've been lucky because all the home
> >networks I've set up work with very little messing around. *I was not
> >prepared for this.
>
> >Bryan
>
> Bryan,
>
> Running browstat is the best way to find out what master browsers you have.. *You
> need to tune the master browser setup, and designate 1 (or 2) browsers that will
> be computers on and online 7 x 24.
>
> Check McAfee documentation very carefully, and look for an anti-worm component,
> or similar. *That will act as a firewall, and block SMBs. *And if you put in a
> new router, you may have a different subnet for the LAN, so check all IP
> settings and update wherever necessary.
>
> Read all posts cited above and below, as carefully as possible, and follow links
> for details.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always...>http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-cant-i-always...
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My * * * *email * * * * is * * * * *AT * * * * DOT
> * *actual * * * address * *pchuck * * * mvps * * * *org.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks to both Chuck and Robert,
Chuck I've been reading the extensive material on your blog and
learning quite a bit. I will gladly post the results of the browstat
and ipconfig tests on the PCs, but while running all the diagnostics,
I came upon the most simple and probably most telling one. PING. I
was working with the laptop and Desktop #2. The desktop can ping the
router, itself and the laptop successfully. The laptop can ping the
router, itself, but not the desktop. Doesn't this indicate that the
problem probably is with desktop #2?
During my evening of testing, I turned them on in alternating order,
verifying that the Master Browser moved from one to the other as would
be expected. When the Master Browser was on the laptop, I could open
the workgroup but not access the desktop. When the Master Browser was
on the Desktop, I couldn't even open the workgroup on the laptop.
I've checked my McAfee on both machines. I do not see any antiworm
protection. The firewall on both machines is Windows firewall and
file sharing is marked as an exception on both machines. The router
does have a provision for DMZ but it is not checked.
I explicitly enabled NetBT on both machines.
I'll post the diagnostics tomorrow if you want them, but am currently
most concerned that desktop #2 cannot be pinged.
On Jan 29, 7:45*pm, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
<blinNoEmailplease@mvps.org> wrote:
> System error 53 means name resolution issue or a security software blocks
> accessing. This link may help more details.
>
> System ErrorsSystem error 51 and 67 System error 52 - You were not connected
> because a duplicate name exists on the network. System error 53 - The
> network path was not ...
> * * *www.chicagotech.net/systemerrors.htm
>
> --
> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>
> "Beej" <blaframb@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3d3c1530-2ef8-4837-85fd-aa0a17fa8735@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 29, 10:02 am, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
>
>
>
>
>
> <blinNoEmailple...@mvps.org> wrote:
> > Sounds like computer browser issue. In each computer, use net view
> > command.
> > Do you receive system error 53? Compare the difference of the results.
>
> > --
> > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
> > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting
> > onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
> > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access
> > onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>
> > <blafr...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:476b25d3-725c-4963-8923-b9bcd1ebc89e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
> > > One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>
> > > The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
> > > ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
> > > wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
> > > access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
> > > desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
> > > checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
> > > is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
> > > not have permissions, etc.
>
> > > I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
> > > contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
> > > internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
> > > Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>
> > > I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
> > > act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
> > > checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
> > > shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
> > > computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
> > > laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
> > > but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
> > > #2.
>
> > > I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
> > > whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
> > > either.
>
> > > It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
> > > over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
> > > access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
> > > possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
> > > all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
> > > as possible.
>
> > > I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
> > > would call my expertise level at about medium.
>
> > > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks Robert. *I will see if I can get these results this evening
> when I get home. *Is there anything in particular I should be looking
> for? *What happens if I get error 53?
>
> Bryan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, tonight I found the problem. I want to thank Chuck and Robert
again as your help was unbelievable. In the interest of helping
others I'm sharing what the problem was although I'm terribly
embarrased by it. It turns out that I did have 3rd party firewalls
running on 3 of the 5 PCs. As I stated earlier I use McAfee as my
virus protection and have for years. Well it turns out that their
Virus Scan Plus includes a firewall which was on and active. On
Desktop #2 it was not functioning as it has for what is probably years
(I have no idea when my subscription included this product).
Apparently the new router caused it to ask me if this was a trusted
network. When I did, it listed the range of IP addresses, but even
then they were not valid. I reentered them and everything began to
work again.
One interesting side note. Even with it all communicating again, the
Browstat status shows an error 53 when run from any of the other
machines (with desktop #2 as the Master Browser). It no longer says
it couldn't get the server list, but the 53 is still there. This
occurs even when I completely turn off this firewall.
I've decided that since it is all working, I'm not going to fuss with
it any longer.
Thanks again for all your help and thanks for teaching me even more
about networking. I should tell you that I've been a computer
programmer for 20 years now. I'm always learning and never an
expert. Shoot, I don't even know when a firewall has been loaded onto
my PC.
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:53:45 -0800 (PST), Beej <blaframb@cox.net> wrote:
>On Jan 29, 7:45*pm, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
><blinNoEmailplease@mvps.org> wrote:
>> System error 53 means name resolution issue or a security software blocks
>> accessing. This link may help more details.
>>
>> System ErrorsSystem error 51 and 67 System error 52 - You were not connected
>> because a duplicate name exists on the network. System error 53 - The
>> network path was not ...
>> * * *www.chicagotech.net/systemerrors.htm
>>
>> --
>> Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
>> Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
>> How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>>
>> "Beej" <blaframb@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3d3c1530-2ef8-4837-85fd-aa0a17fa8735@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 29, 10:02 am, "Robert L. \(MS-MVP\)"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <blinNoEmailple...@mvps.org> wrote:
>> > Sounds like computer browser issue. In each computer, use net view
>> > command.
>> > Do you receive system error 53? Compare the difference of the results.
>>
>> > --
>> > Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
>> > Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting
>> > onhttp://www.ChicagoTech.net
>> > How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access
>> > onhttp://www.HowToNetworking.com
>>
>> > <blafr...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:476b25d3-725c-4963-8923-b9bcd1ebc89e@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > >I have a home network with 3 wired desktops. One wireless laptop.
>> > > One wireless desktop. And two wireless Tivos.
>>
>> > > The network has been up and functioning for 4+ years until two weeks
>> > > ago when I purchased a new router. Now the laptop and one of the
>> > > wired desktops can no longer access the workgroup, although they can
>> > > access each other through the network shortcuts. Neither can access
>> > > desktop # 2. But desktop #2 can access desktop #1. The last time I
>> > > checked desktop #2 could not access the laptop. The error I receive
>> > > is the one that states that the workgroup is not accessible. You may
>> > > not have permissions, etc.
>>
>> > > I'm afraid to turn the other two desktops on, so am unsure of their
>> > > contectivity. All three of the PCs in question have access to the
>> > > internet, and they print to a printer on a wired print server. The
>> > > Tivos can access the internet and each other.
>>
>> > > I've attempted to do system restores thinking that just the physical
>> > > act of connecting to a new router could have changed a setting. I've
>> > > checked the settings on the router (a NetGear MaxRange). The router
>> > > shows everything is connected. I've changed the name of each
>> > > computer. I've changed the name of the workgroup. For a time the
>> > > laptop and destop #1 were able to access the workgroup and each other,
>> > > but I got the error on both of them when trying to get to desktop
>> > > #2.
>>
>> > > I'm about ready to hook the old router back up, but am afraid that
>> > > whatever settings have changed will prevent it from working correctly
>> > > either.
>>
>> > > It is important that I get this resolved. I back a lot of work up
>> > > over the network to desktop #2, and right now I have limited to no
>> > > access to that PC over the network. I'm also looking at the
>> > > possibility of needing surgery in the near future, and would like it
>> > > all functioning correctly to make my transition back into work as easy
>> > > as possible.
>>
>> > > I would appreciate any help. I set the whole thing up originally, but
>> > > would call my expertise level at about medium.
>>
>> > > Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Thanks Robert. *I will see if I can get these results this evening
>> when I get home. *Is there anything in particular I should be looking
>> for? *What happens if I get error 53?
>>
>> Bryan- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Well, tonight I found the problem. I want to thank Chuck and Robert
>again as your help was unbelievable. In the interest of helping
>others I'm sharing what the problem was although I'm terribly
>embarrased by it. It turns out that I did have 3rd party firewalls
>running on 3 of the 5 PCs. As I stated earlier I use McAfee as my
>virus protection and have for years. Well it turns out that their
>Virus Scan Plus includes a firewall which was on and active. On
>Desktop #2 it was not functioning as it has for what is probably years
>(I have no idea when my subscription included this product).
>Apparently the new router caused it to ask me if this was a trusted
>network. When I did, it listed the range of IP addresses, but even
>then they were not valid. I reentered them and everything began to
>work again.
>
>One interesting side note. Even with it all communicating again, the
>Browstat status shows an error 53 when run from any of the other
>machines (with desktop #2 as the Master Browser). It no longer says
>it couldn't get the server list, but the 53 is still there. This
>occurs even when I completely turn off this firewall.
>
>I've decided that since it is all working, I'm not going to fuss with
>it any longer.
>
>Thanks again for all your help and thanks for teaching me even more
>about networking. I should tell you that I've been a computer
>programmer for 20 years now. I'm always learning and never an
>expert. Shoot, I don't even know when a firewall has been loaded onto
>my PC.
>
>Bryan
Bryan,
When you involve new equipment that uses a different subnet for the LAN, then
all personal firewalls that are IP address sensitive have to be updated to
reflect the new subnet. The term "personal firewall" can have many aspects, as
you just found, and some can be less obvious (more "user friendly") than others.
If you decide to work on the "Error 53" again, let us know.
--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking] http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
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