wired-wireless-internet connection interference

The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.

My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
desktop - that works.

After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
is involved !! This gets very annoying.

If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
without notifing the user?

Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
protection?



"Malke" wrote:

> Charlysc wrote:
> > HELP!!! I am loosing it. I tried everything everywhere to no avail. We
> > have a home network of 5 computers (2 wired and 3 wireless). They can all
> > "talk" to each other except me. I sometimes see them when I click on "view
> > workgroup computer" but always receive the same message:
> > XX (home network name) is not accessible. You may not have permission to
> > use this network ressource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
> > out if you have accesspermissions. The network path was not found.
> > It seems that the issue appeared after I had to contact linksys for a set up
> > of my router after I changed from cable to DSL. We had to change te address
> > of the router. I would really appreciate any help, thanks a million in
> > advance.
>
> That error message usually means a misconfigured firewall and/or that
> you didn't make matching user accounts/passwords on the machines. See
> general networking troubleshooting steps below.
>
> *****
> Here are general network troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be
> applicable to your situation, so just take the bits that are. It may
> look daunting, but if you follow the steps at the links and suggestions
> below systematically and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting
> up your sharing.
>
> For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
> caveat in Item A below).
>
> Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
> caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two
> firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
> firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on
> all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating
> system does not permit it. Read through the general networking tips
> below and if you still are having difficulties, MVP Hans-Georg Michna
> has an excellent small network troubleshooter here:
>
> http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm
>
> Taking the time to go through his troubleshooter will usually pinpoint
> the source of the problem(s).
>
> Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks:
>
> A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
> (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
> File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
> Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
> "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
> aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
> "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
> firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually
> configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
> 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
> subnet. Do not run more than one firewall.
>
> B. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup
> didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in
> the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control
> Panel, Computer Name tab.
>
> C. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you
> wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular
> user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at
> this link work for both XP and Vista:
>
> Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm
>
> D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:
>
> 1. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
> Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
> accounts/passwords on all computers.
>
> 2. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
> Simple File Sharing enabled.
>
> Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
> that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
> resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
> in your situation.
>
> I think it is a good idea to create the identical user
> accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it
> isn't an onerous task with home/small networks.
>
> E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
> home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
> folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
> Shared Documents folder.
> *****
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:46:01 -0800, Dan171681
<Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
>to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
>window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
>goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
>firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
>Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.
>
>My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
>modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
>desktop - that works.
>
>After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
>begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
>is involved !! This gets very annoying.
>
>If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
>without notifing the user?
>
>Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
>protection?

Dan,

Windows Firewall, and Norton Internet Security, are equivalent (not the same,
discuss that in an antivirus or security forum!). Antivirus provides protection
against attacks at the application level. Firewalls provide protection against
attacks at the network level. You need both, for properly layered security.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html

Check very carefully, and see if you have "Norton Internet Security", or "Norton
AntiVirus". If you have NIS, and both NIS and WF are active, you will get
conflicts.

On the other hand, if you don't have NIS, turning WF off when you are connected
(even dialup) to the Internet is VERY FOOLISH. You can get infected by an
attack within 30 seconds. Malware infection will also cause network corruption,
and symptoms that you describe.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

I have "norton 2007 antivirus". I have WF turned off.

I also get Norton notifications of "attacks" from the computer I happen to
be on even though that computer is isolated at the time (wireless- OFF,
Internet - OFF)? I've tried to use 'RootKitRevealer' to try to determine if
anything was going on - still don't know.

Will SpyBot and/or Ad-Aware catch a "Malware infection"?

Thanks,

Dan171681
"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:46:01 -0800, Dan171681
> <Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
> >to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
> >window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
> >goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
> >firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
> >Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.
> >
> >My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
> >modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
> >desktop - that works.
> >
> >After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
> >begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
> >is involved !! This gets very annoying.
> >
> >If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
> >without notifing the user?
> >
> >Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
> >protection?
>
> Dan,
>
> Windows Firewall, and Norton Internet Security, are equivalent (not the same,
> discuss that in an antivirus or security forum!). Antivirus provides protection
> against attacks at the application level. Firewalls provide protection against
> attacks at the network level. You need both, for properly layered security.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html
>
> Check very carefully, and see if you have "Norton Internet Security", or "Norton
> AntiVirus". If you have NIS, and both NIS and WF are active, you will get
> conflicts.
>
> On the other hand, if you don't have NIS, turning WF off when you are connected
> (even dialup) to the Internet is VERY FOOLISH. You can get infected by an
> attack within 30 seconds. Malware infection will also cause network corruption,
> and symptoms that you describe.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Nov 7, 6:38 pm, Dan171681 <Dan171...@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:
> I have "norton 2007 antivirus". I have WF turned off.
>
> I also get Norton notifications of "attacks" from the computer I happen to
> be on even though that computer is isolated at the time (wireless- OFF,
> Internet - OFF)? I've tried to use 'RootKitRevealer' to try to determine if
> anything was going on - still don't know.
>
> Will SpyBot and/or Ad-Aware catch a "Malware infection"?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan171681
>
>
>
> "Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:46:01 -0800, Dan171681
> > <Dan171...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > >The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
> > >to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
> > >window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
> > >goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
> > >firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
> > >Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.
>
> > >My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
> > >modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
> > >desktop - that works.
>
> > >After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
> > >begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
> > >is involved !! This gets very annoying.
>
> > >If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
> > >without notifing the user?
>
> > >Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
> > >protection?
>
> > Dan,
>
> > Windows Firewall, and Norton Internet Security, are equivalent (not the same,
> > discuss that in an antivirus or security forum!). Antivirus provides protection
> > against attacks at the application level. Firewalls provide protection against
> > attacks at the network level. You need both, for properly layered security.
> > <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-y...>
> >http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...urself-layer-y...
>
> > Check very carefully, and see if you have "Norton Internet Security", or "Norton
> > AntiVirus". If you have NIS, and both NIS and WF are active, you will get
> > conflicts.
>
> > On the other hand, if you don't have NIS, turning WF off when you are connected
> > (even dialup) to the Internet is VERY FOOLISH. You can get infected by an
> > attack within 30 seconds. Malware infection will also cause network corruption,
> > and symptoms that you describe.
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> >http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> > Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> > My email is AT DOT
> > actual address pchuck mvps org.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Spybot and AdAware will catch "some" malwares. You need to run each
with the latest updates nad preferably in "Safe Mode."

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:38:00 -0800, Dan171681
<Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:46:01 -0800, Dan171681
>> <Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
>> >to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
>> >window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
>> >goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
>> >firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
>> >Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.
>> >
>> >My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
>> >modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
>> >desktop - that works.
>> >
>> >After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
>> >begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
>> >is involved !! This gets very annoying.
>> >
>> >If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
>> >without notifing the user?
>> >
>> >Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
>> >protection?
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Windows Firewall, and Norton Internet Security, are equivalent (not the same,
>> discuss that in an antivirus or security forum!). Antivirus provides protection
>> against attacks at the application level. Firewalls provide protection against
>> attacks at the network level. You need both, for properly layered security.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html
>>
>> Check very carefully, and see if you have "Norton Internet Security", or "Norton
>> AntiVirus". If you have NIS, and both NIS and WF are active, you will get
>> conflicts.
>>
>> On the other hand, if you don't have NIS, turning WF off when you are connected
>> (even dialup) to the Internet is VERY FOOLISH. You can get infected by an
>> attack within 30 seconds. Malware infection will also cause network corruption,
>> and symptoms that you describe.

>I have "norton 2007 antivirus". I have WF turned off.
>
>I also get Norton notifications of "attacks" from the computer I happen to
>be on even though that computer is isolated at the time (wireless- OFF,
>Internet - OFF)? I've tried to use 'RootKitRevealer' to try to determine if
>anything was going on - still don't know.
>
>Will SpyBot and/or Ad-Aware catch a "Malware infection"?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan171681

Dan,

AdAware and Spybot are classically trojan detectors. Norton AntiVirus is a
virus detector. Trojans and viruses are different types of malware.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/hacking-redefined.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...redefined.html

If you're accessing the Internet, without a firewall, you're at risk. If you've
been doing that without other protection, you're probably infected. If you're
using AA, SSD, and NAV regularly though, and you keep each religiously updated,
you MAY be clean. There are risky ways of using the Internet, and there are
ways to mitigate the risk other than with a firewall. Depending upon how
diligent your ISP is, you may be safer with some ISPs than with others.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html

But I'd advise you to cease connecting without having WF enabled. If you're
going to work on your file sharing problem, do it while disconnected from the
Internet.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

One of the reasons that I turned off WF is because of the constant references
by "My Windows Live touble shooter" that I 'may have a port not setup
correctly or a firewall issue'. How would I get the info I need about the
"ports" I need - "Windows Live touble shooter" Ain't NO help!
Turning off the WF didn't help either, I still have the problem. So I guess
turning it back on won't hurt.

Dan171681

"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:38:00 -0800, Dan171681
> <Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:46:01 -0800, Dan171681
> >> <Dan171681@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The problem I have is that it takes me 6-15 min to get anything
> >> >to come up on line. I use a dial up (built-in modem - 56k) and the 'Status'
> >> >window cumes up ok. Then everything stops! My Windows Live touble shooter
> >> >goes through it thing and says I 'may have a port not setup correctly or a
> >> >firewall issue' (I've turned OFF my windows firewall and do not believe
> >> >Norton has one activated)<-This is where the 'rub' may come into play.
> >> >
> >> >My desktop is wired into a linksys wireless router with NO cable or dsl
> >> >modem connection. This is done so my laptop can have wireless access to my
> >> >desktop - that works.
> >> >
> >> >After I hit "repair" in the "Windows Live touble shooter", everything THEN
> >> >begins to work. I get NO feedback as to which "Port/s" or specific firewall
> >> >is involved !! This gets very annoying.
> >> >
> >> >If I have shut off the windows firewall, does the XPSP2 activate it again
> >> >without notifing the user?
> >> >
> >> >Is the windows firewall the same as Norton 2007 antivirus with the worm
> >> >protection?
> >>
> >> Dan,
> >>
> >> Windows Firewall, and Norton Internet Security, are equivalent (not the same,
> >> discuss that in an antivirus or security forum!). Antivirus provides protection
> >> against attacks at the application level. Firewalls provide protection against
> >> attacks at the network level. You need both, for properly layered security.
> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html
> >>
> >> Check very carefully, and see if you have "Norton Internet Security", or "Norton
> >> AntiVirus". If you have NIS, and both NIS and WF are active, you will get
> >> conflicts.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, if you don't have NIS, turning WF off when you are connected
> >> (even dialup) to the Internet is VERY FOOLISH. You can get infected by an
> >> attack within 30 seconds. Malware infection will also cause network corruption,
> >> and symptoms that you describe.
>
> >I have "norton 2007 antivirus". I have WF turned off.
> >
> >I also get Norton notifications of "attacks" from the computer I happen to
> >be on even though that computer is isolated at the time (wireless- OFF,
> >Internet - OFF)? I've tried to use 'RootKitRevealer' to try to determine if
> >anything was going on - still don't know.
> >
> >Will SpyBot and/or Ad-Aware catch a "Malware infection"?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Dan171681
>
> Dan,
>
> AdAware and Spybot are classically trojan detectors. Norton AntiVirus is a
> virus detector. Trojans and viruses are different types of malware.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/hacking-redefined.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...redefined.html
>
> If you're accessing the Internet, without a firewall, you're at risk. If you've
> been doing that without other protection, you're probably infected. If you're
> using AA, SSD, and NAV regularly though, and you keep each religiously updated,
> you MAY be clean. There are risky ways of using the Internet, and there are
> ways to mitigate the risk other than with a firewall. Depending upon how
> diligent your ISP is, you may be safer with some ISPs than with others.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/please-protect-yourself-layer-your.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ayer-your.html
>
> But I'd advise you to cease connecting without having WF enabled. If you're
> going to work on your file sharing problem, do it while disconnected from the
> Internet.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>