I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank, am still
not clear on the issue.
e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst Windows
updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine Advantage"
tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal" or "pirate" copy of
Windows. Of course one can cough up ones credit card no. | license it
online with MS | and do the "hotfix" etc. (I've done that for other
machines).
As a slightly cheaper alternative;
IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM SP2b or
c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would that then
produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and other drivers
etc.
RJK wrote:
> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank,
> am still not clear on the issue.
>
> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst
> Windows updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine
> Advantage" tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal"
> or "pirate" copy of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones
> credit card no. | license it online with MS | and do the "hotfix"
> etc. (I've done that for other machines).
>
> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM
> SP2b or c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would
> that
> then produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and
> other drivers etc.
If you had another UNUSED and GENERIC OEM license (Product key and all -
never been opened, never been installed on another PC) - you could do a
repair install (or possibly - and even easier - just change the Product key
to the new one form the CD/License combo you are referencing) and be good to
go...
Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd you
get it?
If you do a Repair install - do this after:
Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update,
from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after
you repair a Windows XP installation http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
(Try it even if you did a clean, not repair, installation.)
(Try it even if you performed some sort of restore - not repair install.)
If you just want to try changing the product key to a legitimate one:
The Genuine Advantage Product Key Update Tool is only valid for
users attempting to change their current non-genuine Product Key
to a genuine COA sticker or genuine Product Key - all without a
reinstall! http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link...46&clcid=0x409
I assume you are selling the system builder OEM cd to the customer and would
have done a clean install under other circumstances. A repair install would
not disturb the drivers, apps, files, or settings. One problem you may
encounter is if the service pack level on the computer is different from the
cd you are using. SP2b or c would be OK as long as XP Home SP2 is on the
hard drive now. The 'b' or 'c' is just a designation for a system builder
rollup of updates since SP2 released and does not constitute a different
service pack.
"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23KafV1cZIHA.6044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank, am still
> not clear on the issue.
>
> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst Windows
> updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine Advantage"
> tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal" or "pirate" copy
> of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones credit card no. | license it
> online with MS | and do the "hotfix" etc. (I've done that for other
> machines).
>
> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM SP2b or
> c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would that then
> produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and other
> drivers etc.
>
> regards, Richard
>
Thanks for your response, ...much appreciated, ...I think ...... :-(
"Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd you
get it?"
Not sure if you've slightly misconstrued my question ?
....it would have been bought, by me, with my money, ...of course ...how else
?! :-)
....and then charged to customer :-) ...where else would I get one ???
Not knowing, (and not being interested in, AND not having the time to read
up on), how an MS product code gets "embedded," into a specific Windows
installation), I simply wanted to know if it is functionally possible, and
legally acceptable, to "repair install" a pirate Windows installation, with
ONE THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT. ...which really couldn't have been politely
interpreted, in any other way from my original post, ...thinking about it !
I work along these "lines," when, on the odd occasion, I get a machine with
pirate Windows in it. Back out any required user data | flatten the system
| sometimes zero fill the hard disk and | and reinstall from scratch,
....with a new, PREVIOUSLY UNUSED, UNACTIVATED, BOUGHT, BRAND SPANKING
NEEEEEEEW copy of Windows :-) ...sorry, didn't mean to shout.
To save a little time, compared to installing from scratch, and at the same
time clean up some possible security risks likely to be lurking "in there,"
(i.e. a repair install helps clean away many sins :-), ...I thought I'd ask
about over-installing, and what the implications are with the
license/product code, ...that was all ?
....in any event, I wouldn't fancy just changing the Product Code on one of
these, (relatively), rare babies, ...I wouldn't feel as though I'd done a
thorough job !
regards, Richard
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uEmq$9cZIHA.984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> RJK wrote:
>> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank,
>> am still not clear on the issue.
>>
>> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst
>> Windows updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine
>> Advantage" tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal"
>> or "pirate" copy of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones
>> credit card no. | license it online with MS | and do the "hotfix"
>> etc. (I've done that for other machines).
>>
>> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
>> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM
>> SP2b or c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would
>> that
>> then produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and
>> other drivers etc.
>
> If you had another UNUSED and GENERIC OEM license (Product key and all -
> never been opened, never been installed on another PC) - you could do a
> repair install (or possibly - and even easier - just change the Product
> key to the new one form the CD/License combo you are referencing) and be
> good to go...
>
> Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd you
> get it?
>
> If you do a Repair install - do this after:
>
> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update,
> from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after
> you repair a Windows XP installation
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
> (Try it even if you did a clean, not repair, installation.)
> (Try it even if you performed some sort of restore - not repair install.)
>
> If you just want to try changing the product key to a legitimate one:
>
> The Genuine Advantage Product Key Update Tool is only valid for
> users attempting to change their current non-genuine Product Key
> to a genuine COA sticker or genuine Product Key - all without a
> reinstall!
> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link...46&clcid=0x409
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
....sigh, ...though, thanks sincerely for your reply,
"I assume you are selling the system builder OEM cd to the customer and
would
have done a clean install under other circumstances."
Correct !
I have previously fought with updates failing after a repair install, I
think I had to re-register some *.dll's if memory serves.
Due to age, and failing memory, that fix is in my HowTo directory :-)
regards, Richard
"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:EFBE9FB4-C5E9-48BD-826A-527BA2EEE604@microsoft.com...
>I assume you are selling the system builder OEM cd to the customer and
>would have done a clean install under other circumstances. A repair
>install would not disturb the drivers, apps, files, or settings. One
>problem you may encounter is if the service pack level on the computer is
>different from the cd you are using. SP2b or c would be OK as long as XP
>Home SP2 is on the hard drive now. The 'b' or 'c' is just a designation
>for a system builder rollup of updates since SP2 released and does not
>constitute a different service pack.
>
> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KafV1cZIHA.6044@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank, am
>> still not clear on the issue.
>>
>> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst Windows
>> updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine Advantage"
>> tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal" or "pirate" copy
>> of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones credit card no. | license it
>> online with MS | and do the "hotfix" etc. (I've done that for other
>> machines).
>>
>> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
>> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM SP2b or
>> c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would that then
>> produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and other
>> drivers etc.
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>
A repair install is a standard solution to replacing a pirated OS with a
genuine one. The alternative is a clean install but that requires
reinstallation of apps, etc. and the customer may not even have the media
for all his apps (usually doesn't).
"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uDeIdZdZIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for your response, ...much appreciated, ...I think ...... :-(
>
> "Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd
> you
> get it?"
>
> Not sure if you've slightly misconstrued my question ?
> ...it would have been bought, by me, with my money, ...of course ...how
> else ?! :-)
> ...and then charged to customer :-) ...where else would I get one ???
>
> Not knowing, (and not being interested in, AND not having the time to read
> up on), how an MS product code gets "embedded," into a specific Windows
> installation), I simply wanted to know if it is functionally possible, and
> legally acceptable, to "repair install" a pirate Windows installation,
> with ONE THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT. ...which really couldn't have been
> politely interpreted, in any other way from my original post, ...thinking
> about it !
>
> I work along these "lines," when, on the odd occasion, I get a machine
> with pirate Windows in it. Back out any required user data | flatten the
> system | sometimes zero fill the hard disk and | and reinstall from
> scratch, ...with a new, PREVIOUSLY UNUSED, UNACTIVATED, BOUGHT, BRAND
> SPANKING NEEEEEEEW copy of Windows :-) ...sorry, didn't mean to shout.
>
> To save a little time, compared to installing from scratch, and at the
> same time clean up some possible security risks likely to be lurking "in
> there," (i.e. a repair install helps clean away many sins :-), ...I
> thought I'd ask about over-installing, and what the implications are with
> the license/product code, ...that was all ?
>
> ...in any event, I wouldn't fancy just changing the Product Code on one of
> these, (relatively), rare babies, ...I wouldn't feel as though I'd done a
> thorough job !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uEmq$9cZIHA.984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> RJK wrote:
>>> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank,
>>> am still not clear on the issue.
>>>
>>> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst
>>> Windows updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine
>>> Advantage" tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal"
>>> or "pirate" copy of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones
>>> credit card no. | license it online with MS | and do the "hotfix"
>>> etc. (I've done that for other machines).
>>>
>>> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
>>> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM
>>> SP2b or c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would
>>> that
>>> then produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and
>>> other drivers etc.
>>
>> If you had another UNUSED and GENERIC OEM license (Product key and all -
>> never been opened, never been installed on another PC) - you could do a
>> repair install (or possibly - and even easier - just change the Product
>> key to the new one form the CD/License combo you are referencing) and be
>> good to go...
>>
>> Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd
>> you get it?
>>
>> If you do a Repair install - do this after:
>>
>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update,
>> from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after
>> you repair a Windows XP installation
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>> (Try it even if you did a clean, not repair, installation.)
>> (Try it even if you performed some sort of restore - not repair install.)
>>
>> If you just want to try changing the product key to a legitimate one:
>>
>> The Genuine Advantage Product Key Update Tool is only valid for
>> users attempting to change their current non-genuine Product Key
>> to a genuine COA sticker or genuine Product Key - all without a
>> reinstall!
>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link...46&clcid=0x409
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>
>
RJK wrote:
> Thanks for your response, ...much appreciated, ...I think ...... :-(
> "Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise,
> where'd you get it?"
>
> Not sure if you've slightly misconstrued my question ?
> ...it would have been bought, by me, with my money, ...of course
> ...how else ?! :-)
> ...and then charged to customer :-) ...where else would I get one
> ???
> Not knowing, (and not being interested in, AND not having the time
> to read up on), how an MS product code gets "embedded," into a
> specific Windows installation), I simply wanted to know if it is
> functionally possible, and legally acceptable, to "repair install"
> a pirate Windows installation, with ONE THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT. ...which
> really couldn't have been politely interpreted, in any
> other way from my original post, ...thinking about it !
> I work along these "lines," when, on the odd occasion, I get a
> machine with pirate Windows in it. Back out any required user data
> | flatten the system
>> sometimes zero fill the hard disk and | and reinstall from scratch,
> ...with a new, PREVIOUSLY UNUSED, UNACTIVATED, BOUGHT, BRAND
> SPANKING NEEEEEEEW copy of Windows :-) ...sorry, didn't mean to
> shout.
> To save a little time, compared to installing from scratch, and at
> the same time clean up some possible security risks likely to be
> lurking "in there," (i.e. a repair install helps clean away many
> sins :-), ...I thought I'd ask about over-installing, and what the
> implications are with the license/product code, ...that was all ?
>
> ...in any event, I wouldn't fancy just changing the Product Code on
> one of these, (relatively), rare babies, ...I wouldn't feel as
> though I'd done a thorough job !
I misconstrued nothing - you left out facts and I assume little - if I
assume anything, I state I am assuming it so there is no mistake that I am
assuming something so if my assumption is incorrect - you may not want to
read further. ;-) Without the fact that you bought this OEM on your own -
without the purchase of a computer - and would then be selling it to your
customer - I would have been assuming if I did not ask/infer.
Truthfully - in my opinion - a thorough job is not done when doing a repair
install either.
If the product key/license is not legitimate, the chances the media it was
installed from might have been tampered with increases - and all manner of
other things could have been installed with the OS. Simplistic changes that
would get around AVs/firewalls and such because of their actions and the way
those actions are performed.
Doing a repair installation may not get rid of those issues - but a clean
install would.
Quoting myself from my OP, what could, "unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM
SP2b," be, pray tell, other than "NEW," and how would one obtain a new copy
other than by buying it ?
Anyhooooo, rather than continuing to split that particular hair, thank you
for the useful and helpful sections amidst your posts !
regards, Richard
"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e972BfdZIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> RJK wrote:
>> Thanks for your response, ...much appreciated, ...I think ...... :-(
>> "Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise,
>> where'd you get it?"
>>
>> Not sure if you've slightly misconstrued my question ?
>> ...it would have been bought, by me, with my money, ...of course
>> ...how else ?! :-)
>> ...and then charged to customer :-) ...where else would I get one
>> ???
>> Not knowing, (and not being interested in, AND not having the time
>> to read up on), how an MS product code gets "embedded," into a
>> specific Windows installation), I simply wanted to know if it is
>> functionally possible, and legally acceptable, to "repair install"
>> a pirate Windows installation, with ONE THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT. ...which
>> really couldn't have been politely interpreted, in any
>> other way from my original post, ...thinking about it !
>> I work along these "lines," when, on the odd occasion, I get a
>> machine with pirate Windows in it. Back out any required user data
>> | flatten the system
>>> sometimes zero fill the hard disk and | and reinstall from scratch,
>> ...with a new, PREVIOUSLY UNUSED, UNACTIVATED, BOUGHT, BRAND
>> SPANKING NEEEEEEEW copy of Windows :-) ...sorry, didn't mean to
>> shout.
>> To save a little time, compared to installing from scratch, and at
>> the same time clean up some possible security risks likely to be
>> lurking "in there," (i.e. a repair install helps clean away many
>> sins :-), ...I thought I'd ask about over-installing, and what the
>> implications are with the license/product code, ...that was all ?
>>
>> ...in any event, I wouldn't fancy just changing the Product Code on
>> one of these, (relatively), rare babies, ...I wouldn't feel as
>> though I'd done a thorough job !
>
> I misconstrued nothing - you left out facts and I assume little - if I
> assume anything, I state I am assuming it so there is no mistake that I am
> assuming something so if my assumption is incorrect - you may not want to
> read further. ;-) Without the fact that you bought this OEM on your own -
> without the purchase of a computer - and would then be selling it to your
> customer - I would have been assuming if I did not ask/infer.
>
> Truthfully - in my opinion - a thorough job is not done when doing a
> repair install either.
>
> If the product key/license is not legitimate, the chances the media it was
> installed from might have been tampered with increases - and all manner of
> other things could have been installed with the OS. Simplistic changes
> that would get around AVs/firewalls and such because of their actions and
> the way those actions are performed.
>
> Doing a repair installation may not get rid of those issues - but a clean
> install would.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
RJK wrote:
> Quoting myself from my OP, what could, "unused/non-activated XP
> Home ed. OEM SP2b," be, pray tell, other than "NEW," and how would
> one obtain a new copy other than by buying it ?
>
> Anyhooooo, rather than continuing to split that particular hair,
> thank you for the useful and helpful sections amidst your posts !
I don't know you.
Therefore, I cannot tell your level of experience on these matters from a
single post.
Here's what all that COULD mean - dependent on your level experience, life
choices, different ways of looking at things, etc...
"A copy ______ gave me and told me was unused."
"Fell off a truck."
"Found in a closet."
"Got it from the computer that came in at work - they installed their volume
license on it before I ever saw it turn on - so this is unused, right?"
And because it is unused does not mean it is "new"...
It could have been sitting in a closet since July 2007.
To me - that is not "new".
Semantics - but something to think on when posting to thousands of
strangers. ;-)
To clarify, across many past years, I've only really ever used
over-install/repair install to fix problems, in areas unfamiliar to me,
that began to look very like they were going to take a long time to resolve
i.e. hunting them down. The odd system box that turns up with a pirate copy
of Windows, (and oddly enough, in every instance, the customer was
completely unaware of this ;-) ...and there was little or no backing up
trequired), so one simply installed from scratch. Incidentally, I never did
completely pin down the reason that a sprinkling of, "in-use," machines that
came to me, a couple of years ago, wouldn't reinstall, (legitimate XP's btw
Shenan - s'bound to be peeking!), XP afresh, until the hard disk was
zero-filled, ...but that's another story !
regards, Richard
"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:610EDD0F-EF77-499E-AEE6-AB2856651F06@microsoft.com...
>A repair install is a standard solution to replacing a pirated OS with a
>genuine one. The alternative is a clean install but that requires
>reinstallation of apps, etc. and the customer may not even have the media
>for all his apps (usually doesn't).
>
> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uDeIdZdZIHA.4808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for your response, ...much appreciated, ...I think ...... :-(
>>
>> "Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd
>> you
>> get it?"
>>
>> Not sure if you've slightly misconstrued my question ?
>> ...it would have been bought, by me, with my money, ...of course ...how
>> else ?! :-)
>> ...and then charged to customer :-) ...where else would I get one ???
>>
>> Not knowing, (and not being interested in, AND not having the time to
>> read up on), how an MS product code gets "embedded," into a specific
>> Windows installation), I simply wanted to know if it is functionally
>> possible, and legally acceptable, to "repair install" a pirate Windows
>> installation, with ONE THAT HAS BEEN BOUGHT. ...which really couldn't
>> have been politely interpreted, in any other way from my original post,
>> ...thinking about it !
>>
>> I work along these "lines," when, on the odd occasion, I get a machine
>> with pirate Windows in it. Back out any required user data | flatten the
>> system | sometimes zero fill the hard disk and | and reinstall from
>> scratch, ...with a new, PREVIOUSLY UNUSED, UNACTIVATED, BOUGHT, BRAND
>> SPANKING NEEEEEEEW copy of Windows :-) ...sorry, didn't mean to shout.
>>
>> To save a little time, compared to installing from scratch, and at the
>> same time clean up some possible security risks likely to be lurking "in
>> there," (i.e. a repair install helps clean away many sins :-), ...I
>> thought I'd ask about over-installing, and what the implications are with
>> the license/product code, ...that was all ?
>>
>> ...in any event, I wouldn't fancy just changing the Product Code on one
>> of these, (relatively), rare babies, ...I wouldn't feel as though I'd
>> done a thorough job !
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uEmq$9cZIHA.984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> RJK wrote:
>>>> I've tried to ask this question before, in here, and to be frank,
>>>> am still not clear on the issue.
>>>>
>>>> e.g. a XP Home ed. system box has come in for repair, and whilst
>>>> Windows updating it, online, the "tan" coloured MS "Windows Genuine
>>>> Advantage" tool/window appears to alert that "this" is an "illegal"
>>>> or "pirate" copy of Windows. Of course one can cough up ones
>>>> credit card no. | license it online with MS | and do the "hotfix"
>>>> etc. (I've done that for other machines).
>>>>
>>>> As a slightly cheaper alternative;
>>>> IF, I had, ready to hand, an unused/non-activated XP Home ed. OEM
>>>> SP2b or c - can I slap that in and do a "repair install" ? i.e. would
>>>> that
>>>> then produce a legal PC ? ...which would preserve motherboard and
>>>> other drivers etc.
>>>
>>> If you had another UNUSED and GENERIC OEM license (Product key and all -
>>> never been opened, never been installed on another PC) - you could do a
>>> repair install (or possibly - and even easier - just change the Product
>>> key to the new one form the CD/License combo you are referencing) and be
>>> good to go...
>>>
>>> Someone had to pay for that CD/product key though - otherwise, where'd
>>> you get it?
>>>
>>> If you do a Repair install - do this after:
>>>
>>> Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update,
>>> from Microsoft Update, or by using Automatic Updates after
>>> you repair a Windows XP installation
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144
>>> (Try it even if you did a clean, not repair, installation.)
>>> (Try it even if you performed some sort of restore - not repair
>>> install.)
>>>
>>> If you just want to try changing the product key to a legitimate one:
>>>
>>> The Genuine Advantage Product Key Update Tool is only valid for
>>> users attempting to change their current non-genuine Product Key
>>> to a genuine COA sticker or genuine Product Key - all without a
>>> reinstall!
>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link...46&clcid=0x409
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shenan Stanley
>>> MS-MVP
>>> --
>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>>
>>
>>
>
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