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Old 10-07-2007, 06:03 AM
rsegoly
 
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Default XP pagefile on flash memory

Hi,

I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.

I have 4GB CF attached to the device, but can't succeed in moving the
page file to it, although I disabled the paging on C and defined it to
D only.

Any good advices?

Roni

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Old 10-07-2007, 07:23 AM
jorgen
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

rsegoly wrote:

> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.
>
> I have 4GB CF attached to the device, but can't succeed in moving the
> page file to it, although I disabled the paging on C and defined it to
> D only.



I don't think xp allows for that. And even then, it is not designed for
it (vista comes with the readyboost feature). Your harddrive is much
faster in sequential reads
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:32 AM
dobey
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory


"rsegoly" <roni.segoly@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191733393.312276.45250@w3g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.
>
> I have 4GB CF attached to the device, but can't succeed in moving the
> page file to it, although I disabled the paging on C and defined it to
> D only.
>
> Any good advices?
>
> Roni
>


You can not put your page file on a removeable drive.


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Old 10-07-2007, 11:43 AM
Lil' Dave
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

"rsegoly" <roni.segoly@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1191733393.312276.45250@w3g2000hsg.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.
>
> I have 4GB CF attached to the device, but can't succeed in moving the
> page file to it, although I disabled the paging on C and defined it to
> D only.
>
> Any good advices?
>
> Roni
>


In this case, the egg must come before the chicken. XP is already
attempting to implement the swapfile before it implements the driver for USB
and so forth for the removable flash drive. Its a bit more complicated than
that, but that's it in a nutshell.
Dave


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Old 10-07-2007, 11:21 PM
HeyBub
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

rsegoly wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.


What you know is wrong. Dynamic pagefile is preferred and you can't put a
page file on a removable drive. Even if you could put the page file on a
memory stick, it would slow down your computer to intolerable levels.




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Old 10-08-2007, 05:12 AM
rsegoly
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

On Oct 8, 12:21 am, "HeyBub" <hey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> rsegoly wrote:
> > Hi,

>
> > I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
> > upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
> > improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
> > size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.

>
> What you know is wrong. Dynamic pagefile is preferred and you can't put a
> page file on a removable drive. Even if you could put the page file on a
> memory stick, it would slow down your computer to intolerable levels.


OK, I understand

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Old 10-08-2007, 06:32 AM
WaIIy
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:21:40 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>rsegoly wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
>> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
>> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
>> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.

>
>What you know is wrong. Dynamic pagefile is preferred and you can't put a
>page file on a removable drive. Even if you could put the page file on a
>memory stick, it would slow down your computer to intolerable levels.
>
>
>


He is wrong for XP, but you can do it in Vista.

It's called Ready Boost

This is an interesting article....

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000680.html
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:27 AM
dobey
 
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"WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message
news:gtfjg3h9e0am6b7pag2katfm2bi5r5s11r@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:21:40 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>rsegoly wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
>>> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
>>> improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
>>> size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.

>>
>>What you know is wrong. Dynamic pagefile is preferred and you can't put a
>>page file on a removable drive. Even if you could put the page file on a
>>memory stick, it would slow down your computer to intolerable levels.
>>
>>
>>

>
> He is wrong for XP, but you can do it in Vista.
>
> It's called Ready Boost
>
> This is an interesting article....
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000680.html


Well actually, readyboost doesn't replace the pagefile, it justs act's as a
supplemental cache. I doubt you could get rid of a local pagefile for
windows.

Hear are some performance comparisons using readyboost.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2917&p=6

You will see you are far better of shelling out a few extra dollars for 1 GB
RAM under Vista than messing about with flash drives.


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Old 10-08-2007, 12:36 PM
John John
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

WaIIy wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:21:40 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>rsegoly wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
>>>upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways to
>>>improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static fixed
>>>size page file and placing it on fast memory as external flash memory.

>>
>>What you know is wrong. Dynamic pagefile is preferred and you can't put a
>>page file on a removable drive. Even if you could put the page file on a
>>memory stick, it would slow down your computer to intolerable levels.
>>
>>
>>

>
>
> He is wrong for XP, but you can do it in Vista.
>
> It's called Ready Boost
>
> This is an interesting article....
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000680.html


ReadyBoost is not a replacement for the pagefile. Even if you are using
ReadyBoost you still cannot eliminate the pagefile and you cannot put
the "real" pagefile on a USB stick.

Very quickly said and without going into the nitty gritty of the Windows
Memory Manager the pagefile is a cache of items moved out of RAM and
ReadyBoost is a cache of the pagefile, or more specifically it is a
cache of portions of the pagefile. There is absolutely nothing that is
not in the pagefile that is on the USB stick. Anything needing to be
moved (cached) out of RAM is not moved to ReadyBoost or the USB stick,
it is moved to the pagefile. ReadyBoost is then used as a disk cache of
sorts for the pagefile or for portions of the pagefile. If the Memory
Manager later needs to fetch the paged memory pages it will get it from
the faster of the the two caches, random reads are faster on flash
drives but sequential reads are faster on hard disks.

So the bootom line is that even with Vista you still cannot move the
pagefile to a USB stick, Windows will not permit it.

John
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Old 10-15-2007, 05:49 AM
quiettechblue@yahoo.com
 
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Default Re: XP pagefile on flash memory

jorgen na@invalid posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> rsegoly wrote:
>
>> I have Samsung Q1 UMPC, it has 512MB RAM only, and I will try to
>> upgrade (its not straight forward process), I know one of the ways
>> to improve memory handling and startup speed, is by defining static
>> fixed size page file and placing it on fast memory as external
>> flash memory.
>>
>> I have 4GB CF attached to the device, but can't succeed in moving
>> the page file to it, although I disabled the paging on C and
>> defined it to D only.

>
>
> I don't think xp allows for that. And even then, it is not designed
> for it (vista comes with the readyboost feature). Your harddrive is
> much faster in sequential reads


Like hell. No hard disk average performance can come anywhere near
semiconductor memory time performance. Mere rotational latency
precludes it. Longevity is a different issue however.

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