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Old 06-19-2007, 07:40 AM
JohnH
 
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Default windows fire wall

How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
Thanks
John
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:25 AM
Rey Santos
 
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Default RE: windows fire wall

Software firewalls do something that SP2's firewall does not do--block and
filter outbound connections.
When you install Zone alarm windows firewall geyts disabled. You can't have
two firewalls running at the same time.

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"JohnH" wrote:

> How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
> Thanks
> John

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Old 06-19-2007, 08:56 AM
Rock
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

"JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote
> How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.



Windows firewall works ok. It doesn't block outbound connections, and it
isn't very configurable for inbound issues. What outbound block does is
stop malware that's on the system from "phoning home", but the better
approach is to not let malware on the system in the first place, and
sophisticated malware can find it's way around outbound blocking. The
latest versions of zone alarm are bloated. You might want to look at Comodo
personal firewall or the free offering of Sunbelt Software's Kerio Personal
firewall as an alternative or just go with the Windows firewall.

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Old 06-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Kayman
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

"JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote in message news:46777a56$1@clear.net.nz...
How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
Thanks
John

The Windows Firewall in XP SP2 does a fantastic job at its core mission and
is really all you need if you have a *good* anti-virus program. (There are
*very good* FREE AV apllications available).
Use/activate Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall and uncheck *all* Programs and
Services under the Exception tab.
Read through:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...2_wfintro.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...nfirewall.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308127

Additionally, if you are on Broadband Internet get a Cable/DSL Router such
as the Linksys BEFSR41. It will help protect against such Pop-Ups, Hackers
and Internet worms. (They are pretty inexpensive nowadays).

If you on dial-up connection download Seconfig XP 1.0
http://seconfig.sytes.net/

IMHO Outbound application filtering as a meassure against malware is an
illusion. PFW vendors are offering you snake-oil

Ensure that you OS is current/updated/patched.
http://www.update.microsoft.com/wind....aspx?ln=en-us

Also, practice Safe-Hex
http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

Consider utilizing:
SUPERAntiSpyware Free Edition
http://www.superantispyware.com/download.html

Spybot Search & Destroy
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
(I don't use the Immunisation function and TeaTimer application)

Windows Defender
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx

Spyware Blaster
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

Rootkit Revealer
http://www.sysinternals.com
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...nalssuite.mspx

Crap Cleaner
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/

CW Shredder
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Interne...Shredder.shtml

Read this also:
So How Did I Get Infected Anyway?
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=27971

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Old 06-19-2007, 12:16 PM
Phisherman
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:40:31 +1200, "JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote:

>How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
>Thanks
>John


Disable MS Windows firewall. Keep Zone Alarm.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:11 PM
Ken Blake, MVP
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:25:01 -0700, Rey Santos
<ReySantos@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Software firewalls do something that SP2's firewall does not do--block and
> filter outbound connections.
> When you install Zone alarm windows firewall geyts disabled. You can't have
> two firewalls running at the same time.



Actually you can. But you shouldn't.

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Old 06-19-2007, 11:41 PM
Alan Illeman
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall


"Phisherman" <noone@nobody.com> wrote in message news:fnef73toa0pnkju9nr4n7s1l47k8jdpkff@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:40:31 +1200, "JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote:
>

> >How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
> >Thanks
> >John

>
> Disable MS Windows firewall. Keep Zone Alarm.


How does one disable the xp firewall? (I'm helping a
neighbour who has xp; I have win2k pro)

tia
Alan
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:22 AM
Bruce Chambers
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

JohnH wrote:
>
> How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
> Thanks
> John



WinXP's built-in firewall is usually adequate at stopping incoming
attacks, and hiding your ports from probes. What WinXP SP2's firewall
does not do, is protect you from any Trojans or spyware that you (or
someone else using your computer) might download and install
inadvertently. It doesn't monitor out-going traffic at all, other than
to check for IP-spoofing, much less block (or at even ask you about) the
bad or the questionable out-going signals. It assumes that any
application you have on your hard drive is there because you want it
there, and therefore has your "permission" to access the Internet.
Further, because the Windows Firewall is a "stateful" firewall, it will
also assume that any incoming traffic that's a direct response to a
Trojan's or spyware's out-going signal is also authorized.

ZoneAlarm, Kerio, or Sygate are all much better than WinXP's
built-in firewall, and are much more easily configured, and there are
free versions of each readily available. Even the commercially
available Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall is superior by far,
although it does take a heavier toll of system performance then do
ZoneAlarm or Sygate.

Having said that, it's important to remember that firewalls and
anti-virus applications, which should always be used and should always
be running, while important components of "safe hex," cannot, and should
not be expected to, protect the computer user from him/herself.
Ultimately, it is incumbent upon each and every computer user to learn
how to secure his/her own computer.


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Old 06-20-2007, 03:24 AM
Bruce Chambers
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall

Kayman wrote:
> "JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote in message news:46777a56$1@clear.net.nz...
> How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
> Thanks
> John
>
> The Windows Firewall in XP SP2 does a fantastic job at its core mission
> and is really all you need if you have a *good* anti-virus program.



What about the varities of malware that anti-virus applications aren't
designed to detect?


>
> IMHO Outbound application filtering as a meassure against malware is an
> illusion. PFW vendors are offering you snake-oil
>



How is being alerted to unauthorized outbound traffic "snake oil?"


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Old 06-20-2007, 08:29 AM
Kayman
 
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Default Re: windows fire wall


"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:uJ6diIusHHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Kayman wrote:
>> "JohnH" <JohnH@...com> wrote in message news:46777a56$1@clear.net.nz...
>> How good is windows firewall. I have Zone Alarm free at the moment.
>> Thanks
>> John
>>
>> The Windows Firewall in XP SP2 does a fantastic job at its core mission
>> and is really all you need if you have a *good* anti-virus program.

>
>
> What about the varities of malware that anti-virus applications aren't
> designed to detect?
>
>
>>
>> IMHO Outbound application filtering as a meassure against malware is an
>> illusion. PFW vendors are offering you snake-oil
>>

>
>
> How is being alerted to unauthorized outbound traffic "snake oil?"
>

Not getting infected in the first place. it's called prevention. Works for
me since 8/2004.

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