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Old 04-04-2008, 10:27 PM
Edward Diener
 
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Default Junction point curiosity in XP

I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a
target folder on another drive.

I can create new files or folders from within the junction point folder
and/or one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder from the
junction point folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a "Access is
denied" error. I can of course in Explorer delete the folder from the
actual target folder.

This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder and
its target folder act as I had supposed they should.

Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction point
does not work in XP SP2 ?
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:51 AM
Brian A.
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

"Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eIGpnqplIHA.696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a target
>folder on another drive.
>
> I can create new files or folders from within the junction point folder and/or
> one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder from the junction point
> folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a "Access is denied" error. I can of
> course in Explorer delete the folder from the actual target folder.
>
> This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder and its
> target folder act as I had supposed they should.
>
> Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction point does
> not work in XP SP2 ?


How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in Windows XP
(Pro/Home)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308418

HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308421

How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and folders in
Windows XP -
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308419

How to configure file sharing in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304040

How to disable Simple Sharing and set permissions on a shared folder in Windows
XP (Pro only)
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307874

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Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


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Old 04-05-2008, 06:40 PM
Edward Diener
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

Brian A. wrote:
> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eIGpnqplIHA.696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a
>> target folder on another drive.
>>
>> I can create new files or folders from within the junction point
>> folder and/or one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder
>> from the junction point folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a
>> "Access is denied" error. I can of course in Explorer delete the
>> folder from the actual target folder.
>>
>> This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder
>> and its target folder act as I had supposed they should.
>>
>> Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction
>> point does not work in XP SP2 ?

>
> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in
> Windows XP (Pro/Home)
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308418
>
> HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308421
>
> How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and
> folders in Windows XP -
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308419
>
> How to configure file sharing in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304040
>
> How to disable Simple Sharing and set permissions on a shared folder in
> Windows XP (Pro only)
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307874
>


What does any of the above have to do with my junction point question ?
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:24 PM
AJR
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

Interesting - Junction points are relatively common in Windows 2000 -
usually when a Junction Point is created the ACLS is modified to prevent
"accidental" deletion.

"Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eSz3kQ0lIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Brian A. wrote:
>> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:eIGpnqplIHA.696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a
>>> target folder on another drive.
>>>
>>> I can create new files or folders from within the junction point folder
>>> and/or one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder from the
>>> junction point folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a "Access is
>>> denied" error. I can of course in Explorer delete the folder from the
>>> actual target folder.
>>>
>>> This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder and
>>> its target folder act as I had supposed they should.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction point
>>> does not work in XP SP2 ?

>>
>> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in
>> Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308418
>>
>> HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308421
>>
>> How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and
>> folders in Windows XP -
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308419
>>
>> How to configure file sharing in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304040
>>
>> How to disable Simple Sharing and set permissions on a shared folder in
>> Windows XP (Pro only)
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307874
>>

>
> What does any of the above have to do with my junction point question ?



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Old 04-06-2008, 02:15 AM
Edward Diener
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

AJR wrote:
> Interesting - Junction points are relatively common in Windows 2000 -
> usually when a Junction Point is created the ACLS is modified to prevent
> "accidental" deletion.


I am not trying to delete the junction point folder itself but rather a
folder under the junction point folder. Do junction points work so that
neither the junction point folder nor any subfolder of the junction
point folder can be deleted. If I try to delete a file in the junction
point folder or a subfolder of the junction point folder, there is no
problem.

>
> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eSz3kQ0lIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eIGpnqplIHA.696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a
>>>> target folder on another drive.
>>>>
>>>> I can create new files or folders from within the junction point folder
>>>> and/or one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder from the
>>>> junction point folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a "Access is
>>>> denied" error. I can of course in Explorer delete the folder from the
>>>> actual target folder.
>>>>
>>>> This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder and
>>>> its target folder act as I had supposed they should.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction point
>>>> does not work in XP SP2 ?
>>> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in
>>> Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308418
>>>
>>> HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308421
>>>
>>> How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and
>>> folders in Windows XP -
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308419
>>>
>>> How to configure file sharing in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304040
>>>
>>> How to disable Simple Sharing and set permissions on a shared folder in
>>> Windows XP (Pro only)
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307874
>>>

>> What does any of the above have to do with my junction point question ?

>
>

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Old 04-06-2008, 03:01 AM
Brian A.
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

"Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eLaRyO4lIHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> AJR wrote:
>> Interesting - Junction points are relatively common in Windows 2000 - usually
>> when a Junction Point is created the ACLS is modified to prevent "accidental"
>> deletion.

>
> I am not trying to delete the junction point folder itself but rather a folder
> under the junction point folder. Do junction points work so that neither the
> junction point folder nor any subfolder of the junction point folder can be
> deleted. If I try to delete a file in the junction point folder or a subfolder
> of the junction point folder, there is no problem.
>


It's mentioned in many articles/sites different ways/software/utilities used
to create/delete junction points and deleting junction points in explorer is
dangerous.

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...n+point+folder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/205524

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-5388706.html which has a
comment/link to:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-108...sageID=2110743
which has a link to:
http://www.pearlmagik.com/winbolic/

http://www.rekenwonder.com/linkmagic.htm

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



>>
>> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:eSz3kQ0lIHA.5820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eIGpnqplIHA.696@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have a particular folder on a drive which is a junction point to a
>>>>> target folder on another drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can create new files or folders from within the junction point folder
>>>>> and/or one of its subfolders, but if I try to delete a folder from the
>>>>> junction point folder in Explorer, Explorer gives me a "Access is denied"
>>>>> error. I can of course in Explorer delete the folder from the actual
>>>>> target folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> This baffles me since in all other aspects the junction point folder and
>>>>> its target folder act as I had supposed they should.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody know why folder deletion in Explorer at the junction point
>>>>> does not work in XP SP2 ?
>>>> How to set, view, change, or remove file and folder permissions in Windows
>>>> XP (Pro/Home)
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308418
>>>>
>>>> HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308421
>>>>
>>>> How to set, view, change, or remove special permissions for files and
>>>> folders in Windows XP -
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;308419
>>>>
>>>> How to configure file sharing in Windows XP (Pro/Home)
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304040
>>>>
>>>> How to disable Simple Sharing and set permissions on a shared folder in
>>>> Windows XP (Pro only)
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307874
>>>>
>>> What does any of the above have to do with my junction point question ?

>>

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Old 04-06-2008, 12:37 PM
Edward Diener
 
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Default Re: Junction point curiosity in XP

Brian A. wrote:
> "Edward Diener" <eddielee_no_spam_here@tropicsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eLaRyO4lIHA.3636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> AJR wrote:
>>> Interesting - Junction points are relatively common in Windows 2000 -
>>> usually when a Junction Point is created the ACLS is modified to
>>> prevent "accidental" deletion.

>>
>> I am not trying to delete the junction point folder itself but rather
>> a folder under the junction point folder. Do junction points work so
>> that neither the junction point folder nor any subfolder of the
>> junction point folder can be deleted. If I try to delete a file in the
>> junction point folder or a subfolder of the junction point folder,
>> there is no problem.
>>

>
> It's mentioned in many articles/sites different ways/software/utilities
> used to create/delete junction points and deleting junction points in
> explorer is dangerous.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...n+point+folder
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/205524
>
> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-5388706.html which has
> a comment/link to:
> http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-108...sageID=2110743
> which has a link to:
> http://www.pearlmagik.com/winbolic/
>
> http://www.rekenwonder.com/linkmagic.htm
>


Ok, but I still do not agree that the end user should be protected from
himself. If one does not know that a junction point is a representative
of some other folder and that deleting the junction point, or anything
within it, is the equivalent of manipulating a target somewhere else,
then that it the end user's problem.

Thanks for the links !
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