Drive issues, Reinstall XP on second drive, " Access Denied" NTSF

Thanks

JS

"GregCost" <GregCost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> PeBuilder. Greg
>
> "JS" wrote:
>
>> You're welcome.
>> By the way, which utility did you use?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "GregCost" <GregCost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:48EEF489-0110-46D9-BD47-72F0C9B9275A@microsoft.com...
>> > Worked like a champ; I was ablt to retrieve the data obviously ignoring
>> > the
>> > drive's settings. ... Thanks JS and thank you Ken.
>> >
>> > I have a close friend who's a hard drive design engineer works mostly
>> > on
>> > SCSI. I am going to find out what bits, on the drive, were turned on
>> > or
>> > trashed indicating "media protect". Also if there is a zap util to
>> > change
>> > the pattern. I'll post the results here.
>> >
>> > Thanks again guys. Greg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "GregCost" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'll give it a try, thanks JS
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
>> >> "JS" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You can use one of the two bootable CDs to retrieve those files.
>> >> >
>> >> > BART PE
>> >> > http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
>> >> >
>> >> > Puppy Linux:
>> >> > http://www.puppylinux.org/
>> >> >
>> >> > JS
>> >> >
>> >> > "GregCost" <GregCost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:FE4EB5C2-4B3D-4C51-A1C2-FFA621AA206F@microsoft.com...
>> >> > > Tried the suggestions and they work until XP tries to write the
>> >> > > changes to
>> >> > > wherever it keeps them on the disk of issue and gets a WIN32
>> >> > > error:
>> >> > > 0x00000013 ERROR_WRITE_PROTECT The media is write-protected.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I need to understand, translate into something manageable how,
>> >> > > what
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > where the OS detects whatever bit is turned on to cause this 0x013
>> >> > > error.
>> >> > > On this machine I have 2 SCSI drives installed 2 @ 17Gig and 1 @
>> >> > > 137Gig.
>> >> > > The
>> >> > > failed disk is one of the 17Gig drives; the new XP home edition
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > service
>> >> > > pack 3 installed.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The other possibility could be damaged media the result of the
>> >> > > hard
>> >> > > shutdown
>> >> > > on the drive causing XP to think the disk is write protected ( not
>> >> > > sure
>> >> > > that's even possible). I looked at the characteristics of the
>> >> > > drives
>> >> > > thru
>> >> > > the Adaptec SCSI BIOS software and I do not see any sort of write
>> >> > > protection
>> >> > > option turned on. I'll also check to see if there is a jumper on
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > drive
>> >> > > for write protection.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Other possibilities . I did notice some sort of security ID that
>> >> > > has
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > Question mark beside it, could be from the old version of windows
>> >> > > XP.
>> >> > > when
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > try and delete it XP report s the same "Media write Protect".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Do you guys know of any product that would allow me to do the
>> >> > > above?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Open to additional suggestions.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks Greg
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "GregCost" wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Hi Ken, JS,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I will try suggestions made by JS. and Ken I agree my surge
>> >> > >> protector is
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> cheap one - no more.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Gentlemen thanks, good stuff, will let you know shortly
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Greg
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:57:01 -0700, GregCost
>> >> > >> > <GregCost@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > > Unfortunately, a major thunderstorm passed thru my area and
>> >> > >> > > my
>> >> > >> > > computer was
>> >> > >> > > shut down hard (I do have a Surge protector - not sure why it
>> >> > >> > > was not
>> >> > >> > > effective)
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > You've already gotten a good answer to your major question, but
>> >> > >> > I'll
>> >> > >> > address the question in your parenthesis above.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > A nearby thunderstorm can generate surges of thousands of
>> >> > >> > volts--much
>> >> > >> > more than any surge protector can handle. The only real
>> >> > >> > protection
>> >> > >> > against a nearby thunderstorm strike is unplugging both the
>> >> > >> > power
>> >> > >> > line
>> >> > >> > and the internet connection whenever thunderstorms are around
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Two more points:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > 1. Most of the surge protectors that people use are really
>> >> > >> > "power
>> >> > >> > strips," costing $5-10 US. These are little more than fancy
>> >> > >> > extension
>> >> > >> > cords, and are almost useless at protecting against surges. A
>> >> > >> > decent
>> >> > >> > surge protector costs somewhere between $50 and $100.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > 2. Once a surge protector has protected against a big surge, it
>> >> > >> > no
>> >> > >> > longer will function as a surge protector. Even without the
>> >> > >> > surge,
>> >> > >> > all
>> >> > >> > surge protectors degrade over time and eventually stop
>> >> > >> > protecting.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > > and when I brought it up Windows was trashed, Missing system
>> >> > >> > > files, some noise about disk-drive errors, blue screen of
>> >> > >> > > death
>> >> > >> > > after
>> >> > >> > > windows
>> >> > >> > > logo screen loads A bunch of stuff, etc. So I had to install
>> >> > >> > > Windows
>> >> > >> > > on
>> >> > >> > > another drive on the system.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Accessing the Drive with issues: I can copy files from
>> >> > >> > > anywhere
>> >> > >> > > on
>> >> > >> > > the drive
>> >> > >> > > to the new windows drive except for "my documents" WEHRE OF
>> >> > >> > > COURSE
>> >> > >> > > Visual
>> >> > >> > > Studio Projects, Word documents, IPod, etc, all my important
>> >> > >> > > stuff is
>> >> > >> > > being
>> >> > >> > > kept being kept. When I try this I get is "Access is denied"
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > When I bring the system up in Safe Mode with networking and
>> >> > >> > > look
>> >> > >> > > at
>> >> > >> > > the
>> >> > >> > > security permission tab for the documents folder, I see that
>> >> > >> > > my
>> >> > >> > > SID
>> >> > >> > > Is not in
>> >> > >> > > the permissions list. When I try and add it (my user SID) XP
>> >> > >> > > validates it
>> >> > >> > > and it looks like I can now have access to it, great, but
>> >> > >> > > when I
>> >> > >> > > click apply
>> >> > >> > > the response is "media is write protected" cannot apply
>> >> > >> > > permission
>> >> > >> > > changes.
>> >> > >> > > Additionally when I try and copy anything from the new
>> >> > >> > > Windows
>> >> > >> > > drive
>> >> > >> > > to the
>> >> > >> > > problem one I get "Media is protected" "Access denied"
>> >> > >> > > messages.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Tried a couple of things:
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Try to defrag it from new windows - same message: Media is
>> >> > >> > > protected"
>> >> > >> > > "Access denied"
>> >> > >> > > Try to repair it from new windows - same message: Media is
>> >> > >> > > protected"
>> >> > >> > > "Access denied"
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I have also tried CACLS using the following - from
>> >> > >> > > DOS/Prompt
>> >> > >> > > positioned
>> >> > >> > > one level up
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > D:>\Documents and Settings> cacls greg (greg the sub
>> >> > >> > > directory)
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Response: D:>\Documents and Settings> NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:F
>> >> > >> > > NT
>> >> > >> > > AUTHORITY\SYSTEM:<OI><CI><IO>F
>> >> > >> > > <Account Domain not
>> >> > >> > > found>F
>> >> > >> > > <Account Domain not
>> >> > >> > > found><OI><CI><IO>F
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > WHEN I try the following:
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > D:> cacls "D\documents and settings" /T /E /C /G "Greg
>> >> > >> > > Cost":F
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > response 1: are you sure?
>> >> > >> > > response 2: The media is write protected
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Its not like damage (maybe) it's almost like the drive in
>> >> > >> > > question
>> >> > >> > > still has
>> >> > >> > > permissions from the now defunct XP system and the new XP
>> >> > >> > > system
>> >> > >> > > can't quite
>> >> > >> > > figure out how to change it for usage. Keep in mind that I
>> >> > >> > > am
>> >> > >> > > able
>> >> > >> > > to copy
>> >> > >> > > files from it except the original MY Documents. So there is
>> >> > >> > > some
>> >> > >> > > default? or
>> >> > >> > > basic property accessibility
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Any Help Greatly Appreciated! system: Windows XP, NTFS all
>> >> > >> > > drives,
>> >> > >> > > SCSI
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Thanks Greg
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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