Backup SW /w Encryption and Remote Storage

I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
commercial online backup service is one option but I much prefer a
backup on a family's computer on a different continent. In any case,
here are the requirements:

1) Data must be strongly encrypted before sending it over the wire.
2) When a connection breaks the backup process has to pick up where it
stopped, i.e. without data corruption or having to resend the data.
3) Incremental backup is a MUST.
4) It must be possible to automatically backup data from different
locations within an internal network.
5) The solution should be inexpensive (<$200).

Is there anything out there that can handle this? Any input is
appreciated.

<hufaunder@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
> data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
> commercial online backup service is one option but I much prefer a
> backup on a family's computer on a different continent. In any case,
> here are the requirements:
>

Backing up in a location off site from the machine being backed up is a
sound principle. But isn't backing up to a different continent going just a
bit too far? Where were you proposing to put you second backup*, the moon?

Seriously though, with the price of hard disk drives these days being so
cheap, why not backup to a pair of hard disk drives and just store them in
another building when not actually being backed up to. If your that worried
about security of the data, stick 'em in a fire safe. The more complicated
you make your backup regime, the more likely you are to be disappointed when
you come to restore it under circumstances that you can't make another.

*A backup is not a backup unless it's backed up.

On Sep 4, 1:59 am, "M.I.5¾" <no....@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:
> <hufaun...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188881992.382374.216310@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
> > data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
> > commercial online backup service is one option but I much prefer a
> > backup on a family's computer on a different continent. In any case,
> > here are the requirements:
>
> Backing up in a location off site from the machine being backed up is a
> sound principle. But isn't backing up to a different continent going just a
> bit too far? Where were you proposing to put you second backup*, the moon?
>
> Seriously though, with the price of hard disk drives these days being so
> cheap, why not backup to a pair of hard disk drives and just store them in
> another building when not actually being backed up to. If your that worried
> about security of the data, stick 'em in a fire safe. The more complicated
> you make your backup regime, the more likely you are to be disappointed when
> you come to restore it under circumstances that you can't make another.
>
> *A backup is not a backup unless it's backed up.

Hm, none of this is actually answering any of my questions. As for the
location of the backup what does it matter if I store the backup at an
online service next town or on a different continent? I have good
reason for the location mentioned that go beyond security. As for
storing it on another HD and leave that at work or a safe it's a major
hassle. I want the backup process to be automated and not having to
carry a HD around for doing backups.

Any input on the original question?

"hufaunder@yahoo.com" <hufaunder@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of
> the data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably
> small. A commercial online backup service is one option but I much
> prefer a backup on a family's computer on a different continent.
> In any case, here are the requirements:
>
> 1) Data must be strongly encrypted before sending it over the
> wire. 2) When a connection breaks the backup process has to pick
> up where it stopped, i.e. without data corruption or having to
> resend the data. 3) Incremental backup is a MUST.
> 4) It must be possible to automatically backup data from different
> locations within an internal network.
> 5) The solution should be inexpensive (<$200).
>
> Is there anything out there that can handle this? Any input is
> appreciated.
>

Assuming you connect to your remote server using a VPN connection, and
can connect to the backup medium using Windows Networking (NetBT), then
to handle the strong security/encryption part, try Freeware Truecrypt

<http://www.truecrypt.org>

As for the Backup program, you might want to try the built-in Windows
Backup program. I'm not sure how it fares with your requirements,
though...
Start->Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Backup.

It doesn't get much cheaper.

-- John

How is backing up data and storing the backup in a different country
illegal? What law is saying that?

You mentioned that too much time and money would be required for such
a setup. How does using an online service fix that? The data still has
to be transfered. As a matter of fact, my setup can be easier as I
might be able to send an initial back to that other place and then
only do incremental backups over the internet. I doubt an online
service would give me that option. Plus they would charge me an arm
and a leg for 500GB whereas in my scenario it's pretty much only the
cost of the HD.



On Sep 4, 1:54 pm, "Only Sysadmin" <myonlysysad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seems to me that you are up to something illegal if you want to back up your
> computer to another computer across to another country. If this were to be
> done you would spend a lot of time and money getting enough bandwidth to
> transfer this data across the internet like that. As far as I know there is
> no software available for a price of <$200.00 that has the capabilities that
> you are looking for. It is better to go with an offsite company to do this
> as they are insured and if there was an issue with you getting the data they
> are responsible for it.
>
> <hufaun...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188881992.382374.216310@d55g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> >I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
> > data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
> > commercial online backup service is one option but I much prefer a
> > backup on a family's computer on a different continent. In any case,
> > here are the requirements:
>
> > 1) Data must be strongly encrypted before sending it over the wire.
> > 2) When a connection breaks the backup process has to pick up where it
> > stopped, i.e. without data corruption or having to resend the data.
> > 3) Incremental backup is a MUST.
> > 4) It must be possible to automatically backup data from different
> > locations within an internal network.
> > 5) The solution should be inexpensive (<$200).
>
> > Is there anything out there that can handle this? Any input is
> > appreciated.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Sep 4, 4:59 am, "M.I.5¾" <no....@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:
> <hufaun...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> If your that worried
> about security of the data, stick 'em in a fire safe.
Be careful about that. A typical document safe is designed to keep
paper from burning, which happens at either 300 or 500 degrees
(Celsius I think....memory isn't working right now). Either way, I
don't believe a CD or HD would survive such temperatures.

hufaunder@yahoo.com wrote:
> I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
> data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
Your ISP may not appreciate you sending 500G a few times a month. Even
unlimited accounts have limits.

> 1) Data must be strongly encrypted before sending it over the wire.
> 2) When a connection breaks the backup process has to pick up where it
> stopped, i.e. without data corruption or having to resend the data.
> 3) Incremental backup is a MUST.
> 4) It must be possible to automatically backup data from different
> locations within an internal network.
> 5) The solution should be inexpensive (<$200).

I'm using PGP 6.5.8 (freeware), and have had some success using it on
a LAN. I wonder if it would work over the internet. It should be
secure enough that you could use pretty much anything to do your
transfer.

<norman_news@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 4, 4:59 am, "M.I.5¾" <no....@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote:
> <hufaun...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> If your that worried
> about security of the data, stick 'em in a fire safe.
Be careful about that. A typical document safe is designed to keep
paper from burning, which happens at either 300 or 500 degrees
(Celsius I think....memory isn't working right now). Either way, I
don't believe a CD or HD would survive such temperatures.

-----------------

I was thinking more along the lines of physical security. Fire safes are
gererally adequate to the task and generally available at quite reasonable
prices.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:00:20 -0700, norman_news@yahoo.com wrote:

>A typical document safe is designed to keep
>paper from burning, which happens at either 300 or 500 degrees
>(Celsius I think....memory isn't working right now).

451 degrees Fahrenheit.


Think of the Ray Bradbury book _Fahrenheit 451_. Of course, the book
is called Celcius 233 in Europe.

Have you looked at rsync?

It can transport over ssh encrypted channels and moves only the changed
data. It's optimized for slow (as in WAN) links.


hufaunder@yahoo.com wrote:
> I want to backup my data in a remote location. The total size of the
> data is about 500GB but the incremental data is comparably small. A
> commercial online backup service is one option but I much prefer a
> backup on a family's computer on a different continent. In any case,
> here are the requirements:
>
> 1) Data must be strongly encrypted before sending it over the wire.
> 2) When a connection breaks the backup process has to pick up where it
> stopped, i.e. without data corruption or having to resend the data.
> 3) Incremental backup is a MUST.
> 4) It must be possible to automatically backup data from different
> locations within an internal network.
> 5) The solution should be inexpensive (<$200).
>
> Is there anything out there that can handle this? Any input is
> appreciated.
>