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Old 05-29-2008, 11:49 AM
golderm
 
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Default WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

Hi guys,

I'm successfully deploying XP via WDS using sysprep to automate key input,
however i noticed all Dell re-installation CD's have the same product key
under WINNT.sif so can i use this or should i be using the keys on the
sticker on the case?

I would prefer to use the generic key but how does this affect the legality
of licensing?

Thanks,
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:17 PM
David Trimboli
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

golderm wrote:

> I'm successfully deploying XP via WDS using sysprep to automate key
> input, however i noticed all Dell re-installation CD's have the same
> product key under WINNT.sif so can i use this or should i be using
> the keys on the sticker on the case?
>
> I would prefer to use the generic key but how does this affect the
> legality of licensing?


If you have a volume license for Windows, prepare your system using that
flavor of Windows, then Sysprep the OS with the volume license key in
the inf file.

If you don't have a volume license and you're imaging for OEM machines,
you must leave the product key out of the inf file. You are not allowed
to duplicate OEM licenses.

--
David
Stardate 8410.7
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:19 AM
golderm
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

The first sentence makes sense but the second doesn't, surely if Dell can
issue re-install discs all using the same key so that if you were to
re-install all your PC's manually by disc they would all have the same key,
why can i not do the exact same thing but in a more streamlined manner?

"David Trimboli" wrote:

> If you have a volume license for Windows, prepare your system using that
> flavor of Windows, then Sysprep the OS with the volume license key in
> the inf file.
>
> If you don't have a volume license and you're imaging for OEM machines,
> you must leave the product key out of the inf file. You are not allowed
> to duplicate OEM licenses.
>
> --
> David
> Stardate 8410.7
>

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Old 06-02-2008, 02:02 PM
David Trimboli
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

> "David Trimboli" wrote:
>
>> If you have a volume license for Windows, prepare your system using that
>> flavor of Windows, then Sysprep the OS with the volume license key in
>> the inf file.
>>
>> If you don't have a volume license and you're imaging for OEM machines,
>> you must leave the product key out of the inf file. You are not allowed
>> to duplicate OEM licenses.


golderm wrote:

> The first sentence makes sense but the second doesn't, surely if Dell can
> issue re-install discs all using the same key so that if you were to
> re-install all your PC's manually by disc they would all have the same key,
> why can i not do the exact same thing but in a more streamlined manner?


Dell-branded OS discs do not include the product key. You get that from
the Microsoft sticker on the machine. Thus, when reinstalling Windows
from a Dell disc, you will be asked for the product key.

It's not a matter of "can." You CAN use a single OEM product key for
multiple computers for which that OEM key will work, but it's illegal.
You may only reproduce volume license keys.

--
David
Stardate 8418.9
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:51 PM
golderm
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

> Dell-branded OS discs do not include the product key. You get that from
> the Microsoft sticker on the machine. Thus, when reinstalling Windows
> from a Dell disc, you will be asked for the product key.
>
> It's not a matter of "can." You CAN use a single OEM product key for
> multiple computers for which that OEM key will work, but it's illegal.
> You may only reproduce volume license keys.


These are Dell "Reinstallation discs" that contain a file called winnt.sif
under the i386 folder which funnily all contain the Windows Product Key when
opened with notepad, which the reinstall automates and does not prompt for
the COA sticker key.

so going by your second sentence Dell are making users illegally install
software??? i don't think so....
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:11 PM
David Trimboli
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

golderm wrote:
>> Dell-branded OS discs do not include the product key. You get that from
>> the Microsoft sticker on the machine. Thus, when reinstalling Windows
>> from a Dell disc, you will be asked for the product key.
>>
>> It's not a matter of "can." You CAN use a single OEM product key for
>> multiple computers for which that OEM key will work, but it's illegal.
>> You may only reproduce volume license keys.

>
> These are Dell "Reinstallation discs" that contain a file called winnt.sif
> under the i386 folder which funnily all contain the Windows Product Key when
> opened with notepad, which the reinstall automates and does not prompt for
> the COA sticker key.
>
> so going by your second sentence Dell are making users illegally install
> software??? i don't think so....


Are these consumer-level machines? If they are, then they had a license
agreement somewhere that says you can only use the CD on the system it
came with.

However your CDs work, the fact is that you can only legally use an OEM
license on ONE computer. Period.

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David
Stardate 8418.9
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Old 06-02-2008, 08:45 PM
Dave R.
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing


"golderm" <golderm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6EB6195-DB44-4908-9448-1C95A87301D1@microsoft.com...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm successfully deploying XP via WDS using sysprep to automate key
> input,
> however i noticed all Dell re-installation CD's have the same product
> key
> under WINNT.sif so can i use this or should i be using the keys on the
> sticker on the case?
>
> I would prefer to use the generic key but how does this affect the
> legality
> of licensing?
>


What you want to do is perfectly "legal" as far as MS licensing is
concerned.

See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb457078.aspx

Although it looks like they are providing a different key than the ones
used by Dell, the concept is the same. Heck, to remove all doubt about
licensing legality, use the key specified in that technet article and
you will be golden.

Regards,

Dave


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Old 06-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Cleve S.
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

I think this is what you're looking for.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb457078.aspx

Cleve

"golderm" <golderm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E6EB6195-DB44-4908-9448-1C95A87301D1@microsoft.com...
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm successfully deploying XP via WDS using sysprep to automate key input,
> however i noticed all Dell re-installation CD's have the same product key
> under WINNT.sif so can i use this or should i be using the keys on the
> sticker on the case?
>
> I would prefer to use the generic key but how does this affect the
> legality
> of licensing?
>
> Thanks,



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Old 06-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Cleve S.
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

Oops, looks like Dave beat me to it.

"Cleve S." <cleves@SPAMLESStropicalchevrolet.net> wrote in message
news:ejFEj6OxIHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I think this is what you're looking for.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb457078.aspx
>
> Cleve
>
> "golderm" <golderm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E6EB6195-DB44-4908-9448-1C95A87301D1@microsoft.com...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm successfully deploying XP via WDS using sysprep to automate key
>> input,
>> however i noticed all Dell re-installation CD's have the same product key
>> under WINNT.sif so can i use this or should i be using the keys on the
>> sticker on the case?
>>
>> I would prefer to use the generic key but how does this affect the
>> legality
>> of licensing?
>>
>> Thanks,

>
>



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Old 06-06-2008, 09:27 AM
Missing Link
 
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Default Re: WDS - XP OEM Dell licensing

I was puzzled as I found that if I ran the XP disk on what was originally a
Windows 2000 PC it would install so I also looked for the .sif file and found
the key you describe. As a test I ran a utility which will display the
product key used to install Windows and even a new out of the box system does
not have the key as printed on the COA label although it was not the one on
the restore disk either. Given that the image you have on your server is
probably specific to the model of PC all you are doing is replicating the cd
recovery process by RIS. The only thing is when you actually boot from the CD
it checks that you are running it on a Dell, I presume the RIS process does
not.

"golderm" wrote:

> > Dell-branded OS discs do not include the product key. You get that from
> > the Microsoft sticker on the machine. Thus, when reinstalling Windows
> > from a Dell disc, you will be asked for the product key.
> >
> > It's not a matter of "can." You CAN use a single OEM product key for
> > multiple computers for which that OEM key will work, but it's illegal.
> > You may only reproduce volume license keys.

>
> These are Dell "Reinstallation discs" that contain a file called winnt.sif
> under the i386 folder which funnily all contain the Windows Product Key when
> opened with notepad, which the reinstall automates and does not prompt for
> the COA sticker key.
>
> so going by your second sentence Dell are making users illegally install
> software??? i don't think so....

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