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  #11  
Old 04-13-2007, 10:20 PM
Michael Chare
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.ever.please.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Actually you can transfer OEM copies to another PC if you bought them
> through a retail outlet.
>
> Check the facts on licensing
>
>


It would be nice if what you say is true.

Can you point to any Microsoft publication that confirms what you say.
There is nothing in the Licence.rft document in my windows\system 32
directory to confirm what you say. I bought the OEM licence from a Web site
along with the various hardware components.

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> "Alias" <alias@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:evoemf$mof$1@aioe.org...
>> OscarVogel wrote:
>>> I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer
>>> for our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM
>>> version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>>
>>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>

>>
>> OEM is only for one computer and may not be transferred to another and
>> can't do an upgrade.
>>
>> Alias

>



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  #12  
Old 04-13-2007, 10:40 PM
Shenan Stanley
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

OscarVogel wrote:
> I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new
> computer for our company. They offered the regular Retail version
> or the OEM version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>
> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?


Alias wrote:
> OEM is only for one computer and may not be transferred to another
> and can't do an upgrade.


Shane Nokes wrote:
> Actually you can transfer OEM copies to another PC if you bought
> them through a retail outlet.
>
> Check the facts on licensing


Yes - you please do that. ;-)
It doesn't matter where you bought your OEM license nor - it's an OEM
license.
It does matter if you got a 'anytime upgrade' or 'Express Upgrade' option
from your original purchase...

However - if you go out and purchase an OEM license on your own (as in this
thread) - that's an OEM license. Period. Non-tranferrable in accordance
with the strict language of the EULA it comes with.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

Particularly one link:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...42/OSLicQA.doc

Which states:

"What is the difference between OEM product and Full-Packaged Product (FPP)?

OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user
purchases the product. They are "shrink wrapped" and do not come in a box
like the retail products do. Full-Packaged Product (FPP) is boxed with
CD(s), manuals, and the EULA and is sold in retail stores in individual
boxes. The End User License Agreements (commonly referred to as "EULAs")
for OEM and FPP products are slightly different. One main difference is
that an OEM operating system license (such as the license for Windows)
cannot be transferred from its original PC to another PC. However, the FPP
version of Windows may be transferred to another PC as long as the EULA,
manual and media (such as the backup CD) accompany the transfer to the other
PC. Also, when a customer purchases an OEM product, the OEM license
requires the OEM to provide support for the product."

- and -

"Can I transfer my operating system license from an old PC to a new one?

Not unless it was purchased as a Full-Packaged Product from a retail store
(i.e., Windows in a box). Current OEM licenses for all Microsoft operating
system products are not transferable from one machine to another. The End
User License Agreement (EULA) governs the terms for transfer of licenses.
Some EULAs for copies of certain older OEM operating system products (i.e.,
MS-DOS®, Windows® 3.1, and Windows for Workgroups 3.1) distributed in 1995
or earlier may permit transfer of the OEM operating system software license
under limited circumstances. (See Software Product Transfer section of your
End User License Agreement.)"

- and -

"If I "retire" a PC with an OEM license on it, can I use that software on a
new PC?

No. To put it simply, OEM product is "married" to the original PC on which
it was installed. Current OEM licenses are not transferable from one machine
to another. The software cannot be moved from PC to PC, even if the original
PC it was installed on is no longer in use. This is true for all OEM
software - operating systems and applications."


It must be noted a change was made to the EULA early on:
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...e-upgrade.aspx

"We're making a small but significant modification to the Windows Vista
End-User License Agreement (EULA) for Windows Anytime Upgrade. Customers
who purchase a retail copy of Windows Vista and then upgrade to another
version of Windows Vista using Windows Anytime Upgrade will be affected by
this modification, while all other WAU licensing terms remain unchanged.
Now, those customers will be able to uninstall their upgraded copy of
Windows Vista and re-install it on another device (usually, but not always,
a PC). The number of device-to-device reassignments is no longer limited,
provided that Windows Vista has been uninstalled from the original device."

And then it points you to:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...grade/faq.mspx
(Last question on the page...)

"Am I allowed to transfer my software from one device to another when I
upgrade using Windows Anytime Upgrade?

Microsoft is modifying the end user license agreement for full packaged
product versions of Windows Vista purchased through a retailer or from
Microsoft, and then upgraded using Windows Anytime Upgrade. Under the terms
of the modified license agreement, you are now granted the right to
uninstall Windows Vista and then reinstall the operating system on a
different computer. Provided you uninstall the operating system from your
original computing device and do not share the license among multiple
devices, you are no longer limited in the number of times that you may
reassign the license to different devices. This modification is effective
immediately, and will be included within future versions of the end user
license agreement. All other terms of the end user license agreement apply
to your use of the software."


It's all very confusing for the end-user.

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MS-MVP
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  #13  
Old 04-14-2007, 01:05 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.ever.please.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Actually you can transfer OEM copies to another PC if you bought them
> through a retail outlet.
>



It might work, but doing so would most definitely be a violation of the
EULA. In effect, You'd be telling the world that your given word or
signature on a contract is meaningless.




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  #14  
Old 04-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Joe Guidera
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only pre-installed
with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment Manufacturer") the end user
license is different.

Joe

"OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer for
>our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM version
>for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>
> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer, what's
> the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>
> Thanks.
>

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  #15  
Old 04-14-2007, 10:50 PM
John Barnes
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

The EULA of an OEM is between the end user and the system builder

"Joe Guidera" <jguidera@remove.msn.com> wrote in message
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> Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only pre-installed
> with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment Manufacturer") the end user
> license is different.
>
> Joe
>
> "OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
> news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer for
>>our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM version
>>for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>
>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>


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Old 04-14-2007, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

Joe Guidera wrote:
> Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only pre-installed
> with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment Manufacturer") the end user
> license is different.
>
> Joe


You're confusing branded OEM versions with generic OEM versions. I have
two generic OEM copies of XP Pro and one Home and when I bought them, I
BOUGHT NO HARDWARE, not even a screw, and they are 100% legit, activated
and genuinize up the wing wang.

Alias
>
> "OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
> news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer
>> for our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM
>> version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>
>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>

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Old 04-15-2007, 05:37 AM
Terry
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

And the system builder is often the end user ;>)

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
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> The EULA of an OEM is between the end user and the system builder
>
> "Joe Guidera" <jguidera@remove.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:BF25B88E-2651-48D8-8615-92ED35F9B739@microsoft.com...
>> Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only pre-installed
>> with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment Manufacturer") the end user
>> license is different.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
>> news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer
>>>for our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM
>>>version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>>
>>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>

>


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Old 04-15-2007, 12:31 PM
John Barnes
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True. So both licenses are applicable. System Builders and EULA

"Terry" <hard.rod@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> And the system builder is often the end user ;>)
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:OH6TY8tfHHA.4804@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> The EULA of an OEM is between the end user and the system builder
>>
>> "Joe Guidera" <jguidera@remove.msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:BF25B88E-2651-48D8-8615-92ED35F9B739@microsoft.com...
>>> Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only pre-installed
>>> with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment Manufacturer") the end user
>>> license is different.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer
>>>>for our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM
>>>>version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>>>
>>>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>>>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>

>>

>


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Old 04-15-2007, 04:56 PM
Joe Guidera
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

Correct. The end user who purchases an OEM build is still subject to the
Microsoft EULA as well as any system builder agreement.

J

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:#P164G1fHHA.408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> True. So both licenses are applicable. System Builders and EULA
>
> "Terry" <hard.rod@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:uZBe2exfHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> And the system builder is often the end user ;>)
>>
>> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
>> news:OH6TY8tfHHA.4804@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> The EULA of an OEM is between the end user and the system builder
>>>
>>> "Joe Guidera" <jguidera@remove.msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:BF25B88E-2651-48D8-8615-92ED35F9B739@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hmm, aside from the fact that OEM is supposed to come only
>>>> pre-installed with new equipment (thus "Original Equipment
>>>> Manufacturer") the end user license is different.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "OscarVogel" <RTK@divecochran.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e$frlDffHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I went to the store to buy a copy of Vista Ultimate for a new computer
>>>>>for our company. They offered the regular Retail version or the OEM
>>>>>version for much less money. I bought the OEM version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides the packaging and the Product Key sticker for the computer,
>>>>> what's the differences between the Retail & OEM versions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>

>>

>

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  #20  
Old 04-16-2007, 07:02 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Default Re: Retail vs OEM version

Check the facts as you say.
It seem you have not.
The source of purchase is not relevant.
You should read the OEM license for details.

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"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.ever.please.msn.com> wrote in
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> Actually you can transfer OEM copies to another PC if you bought
> them through a retail outlet.
>
> Check the facts on licensing


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