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Old 02-16-2008, 09:05 PM
ND Dad
 
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Default Downgrade to XP

I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with the
comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and ~28
GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have been
trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that caused
another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get a
completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.

I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
and how?

It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
clean them up.
--
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Old 02-16-2008, 09:12 PM
Bob
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

If you're willing to shell out the cash for XP and void you're warranty you
probably can.

"ND Dad" <NoSpam@Yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:E5F30089-CAFF-41D4-A404-3581A9D50B13@microsoft.com...
>I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
> cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with
> the
> comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
> space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
> ~28
> GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
> have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have
> been
> trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that
> caused
> another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get
> a
> completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.
>
> I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> and how?
>
> It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
> clean them up.
> --
> ND Dad


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Old 02-16-2008, 09:44 PM
Richard G. Harper
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

There is no automatic downgrade "Vista to XP" right unless your laptop
manufacturer offers it, nor is there any way whatsoever to simply
"downgrade" Vista to XP. You'd need to do a clean install of XP and hope
that you could find the drivers and other software you need.

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"ND Dad" <NoSpam@Yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:E5F30089-CAFF-41D4-A404-3581A9D50B13@microsoft.com...
>I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
> cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with
> the
> comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
> space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
> ~28
> GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
> have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have
> been
> trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that
> caused
> another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get
> a
> completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.
>
> I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> and how?
>
> It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
> clean them up.
> --
> ND Dad


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Old 02-16-2008, 10:16 PM
Malke
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

ND Dad wrote:

> I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore
> points, cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies
> with the comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard
> drive
> space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
> ~28 GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive.
> Somehow I have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2
> days I have been trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and
> I think that caused another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I
> just cannot seem to get a completed view of what is on my hard drive and
> where.
>
> I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> and how?


Call Lenovo and find out.

General information about replacing Vista with XP:

A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, Lenovo etc.) computer:

1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.

2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling
them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
void the warranty, you make the decision.

3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.

4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore
disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.

5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you
have any data you want, back it up first.

6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
running XP instead.

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...alling_Windows - What
you will need on-hand

Malke
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www.elephantboycomputers.com
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:29 AM
Quaoar
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

Richard G. Harper wrote:
> There is no automatic downgrade "Vista to XP" right unless your laptop
> manufacturer offers it, nor is there any way whatsoever to simply
> "downgrade" Vista to XP. You'd need to do a clean install of XP and
> hope that you could find the drivers and other software you need.
>


Entirely correct. Now, what, as an MVP (or am I wrong?) do you propose
to handle the extensive list of boffo problems in Vista?

Q
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:38 AM
ND Dad
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

Thanks. I will check the vendor first. If it is possible I will downgrade to
XP.
Do you know of any software that will scan my drive and tell me what where
stuff is? Someone must have figured out a better way to clean up Vista by now.
--
ND Dad


"Malke" wrote:

> ND Dad wrote:
>
> > I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore
> > points, cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies
> > with the comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard
> > drive
> > space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
> > ~28 GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive.
> > Somehow I have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2
> > days I have been trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and
> > I think that caused another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I
> > just cannot seem to get a completed view of what is on my hard drive and
> > where.
> >
> > I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> > and how?

>
> Call Lenovo and find out.
>
> General information about replacing Vista with XP:
>
> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, Lenovo etc.) computer:
>
> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
> computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
> story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
> thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.
>
> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling
> them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
> void the warranty, you make the decision.
>
> 3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
> have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
> be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.
>
> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore
> disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
> from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.
>
> 5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you
> have any data you want, back it up first.
>
> 6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
> that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
> running XP instead.
>
> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...alling_Windows - What
> you will need on-hand
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> Don't Panic!
>

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  #7  
Old 02-17-2008, 12:45 AM
Bruce Chambers
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

ND Dad wrote:
> I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
> cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with the
> comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
> space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and ~28
> GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
> have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have been
> trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that caused
> another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get a
> completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.
>



If you're losing free space at such an alarming rate, you need to be
looking into the very strong possibility of a massive malware
infestation. There's nothing inherent in Vista to prevent any averagely
knowledgeable user from seeing everything on his/her hard drive.


> I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> and how?
>



And what has Lenovo had to say when you contacted them for warranty
support?

It's your computer, so the choice is, ultimately, yours.

However, there could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of
which you should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer
model in question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be
no WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's
diverse components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer
about the availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an
OEM-installed operating system and replacing it with another will almost
invariably void any and all support agreements and, sometimes, even the
warranty. You would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista before
getting any support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the
computer's manufacturer for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the
additional cost involved in purchasing a WinXP license for this new
computer.

After backing up any data you wish to transfer to the new OS
installation, simply boot from the WinXP installation CD. You'll be
offered the opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part
of the installation process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of
boot devices in the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)

HOW TO Install Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...B;en-us;316941

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

Then, assuming you were successful in obtaining WinXP-specific
device drivers so that the computer can be made to work with WinXP, the
backed up data can be restored and applications (those that are
WinXP-compatible, that is) re-installed.




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  #8  
Old 02-17-2008, 12:47 AM
Bruce Chambers
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

Quaoar wrote:
> Richard G. Harper wrote:
>> There is no automatic downgrade "Vista to XP" right unless your laptop
>> manufacturer offers it, nor is there any way whatsoever to simply
>> "downgrade" Vista to XP. You'd need to do a clean install of XP and
>> hope that you could find the drivers and other software you need.
>>

>
> Entirely correct. Now, what, as an MVP (or am I wrong?) do you propose
> to handle the extensive list of boffo problems in Vista?
>
>



First of all, there would actually have to be an "extensive list of
'boffo' problems," wouldn't there? The OP's problems have little or
nothing to do with Vista, beyond the learning curve that any new OS is
going to present.



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Help us help you:
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
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  #9  
Old 02-17-2008, 02:01 AM
Mike Hall - MVP
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

"ND Dad" <NoSpam@Yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:E5F30089-CAFF-41D4-A404-3581A9D50B13@microsoft.com...
>I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore points,
> cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies with
> the
> comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard drive
> space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
> ~28
> GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive. Somehow I
> have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2 days I have
> been
> trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and I think that
> caused
> another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I just cannot seem to get
> a
> completed view of what is on my hard drive and where.
>
> I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
> and how?
>
> It seems more easy on my old laptop runing XP, to see all the files and
> clean them up.
> --
> ND Dad



Run Disk Cleanup now and again. Don't forget to go into Disk Cleanup's 'more
options' to clean up excessive restore points.

When your hard drive approaches 75% capacity, think about getting a USB
external drive and move documents etc to it..

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Old 02-17-2008, 02:08 AM
Michael Jennings
 
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Default Re: Downgrade to XP

Google Desktop works with Vista, here's a link:
http://desktop.google.com/
This uses disk space to help you find things - I don't think you want it.

If you do a Lenovo PC System Recovery, after backing up any data
you cherish to CDs or DVDs, you'll clean up Vista. If you still yearn
for XP after that, you'll have at least practiced installing an OS, and
can evaluate the chore of switching to XP more realistically.

"ND Dad" <NoSpam@Yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:334E9A7A-11C8-4245-84B8-B32580F41E07@microsoft.com...
> Thanks. I will check the vendor first. If it is possible I will downgrade to
> XP.
> Do you know of any software that will scan my drive and tell me what where
> stuff is? Someone must have figured out a better way to clean up Vista by now.
> --
> ND Dad
>
>
> "Malke" wrote:
>
>> ND Dad wrote:
>>
>> > I have spent the last few DAYS trying to find hidden files, restore
>> > points, cleaning the disk, turning off the restore function, listing flies
>> > with the comand prompt and trying several other sugestions to free up hard
>> > drive
>> > space. I can accout for ~35 GB of stuff. The drive shows ~58 GB used and
>> > ~28 GB free. 2 Days ago only ~ 46 GB was used. It is a 100 GB drive.
>> > Somehow I have managed to add ~12 BG of stuff taking up space in the 2
>> > days I have been trying to free space up. I tried the restore function and
>> > I think that caused another huge chunk of disk space to be taken up. I
>> > just cannot seem to get a completed view of what is on my hard drive and
>> > where.
>> >
>> > I have a 4 month old Lenovo T61 think pad. Could this be downgraded to XP
>> > and how?

>>
>> Call Lenovo and find out.
>>
>> General information about replacing Vista with XP:
>>
>> A. On an OEM (HP, Sony, Lenovo etc.) computer:
>>
>> 1. Go to the OEM's website and look for XP drivers for your specific model
>> computer. If there are no XP drivers, then you can't install XP. End of
>> story. If there are drivers, download them and store on a CD-R or USB
>> thumbdrive; you'll need them after you install XP.
>>
>> 2. Check with the OEM - either from their tech support website or by calling
>> them - to see if you will void your warranty if you do this. If you will
>> void the warranty, you make the decision.
>>
>> 3. If the OEM does support XP on the machine, call them and see if you can
>> have downgrade rights and have them send you an XP restore disk. This will
>> be far the easiest and best way of getting XP on the machine.
>>
>> 4. If XP is supported on the machine but the OEM doesn't have an XP restore
>> disk for you, understand that you'll need to purchase a retail copy of XP
>> from your favorite online or brick/mortar store.
>>
>> 5. Also understand that you will need to do a clean install of XP so if you
>> have any data you want, back it up first.
>>
>> 6. If none of the above is applicable to you because you can't run XP on
>> that machine (see Item #1 above), return the computer and purchase one
>> running XP instead.
>>
>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html - Clean Install How-To
>> http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...alling_Windows - What
>> you will need on-hand
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> MS-MVP
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> Don't Panic!
>>



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