TV R&R Best Practices

How often should one make a copy of the System partition?

How many generations of the System partition copies should be
maintained before dumping old copies?

If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?

R&R is not working now. Tried to use it to delete an old backup and
it hung the system. I would like to remove R&R with Revo Uninstaller,
delete all old R&R backups and start all over. Where do I go to
download R&R?

Teflon wrote:
> How often should one make a copy of the System partition?
>
> How many generations of the System partition copies should be
> maintained before dumping old copies?
>
> If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
> R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?
>
> R&R is not working now. Tried to use it to delete an old backup and
> it hung the system. I would like to remove R&R with Revo Uninstaller,
> delete all old R&R backups and start all over. Where do I go to
> download R&R?


With all due respect, you've seen the future.

Do yourself a favor and DUMP R&R.

[Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:00:19 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
<I_Sdnfd2dsoYiFvXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d@speakeasy.net> :

>Teflon wrote:
>> How often should one make a copy of the System partition?
>>
>> How many generations of the System partition copies should be
>> maintained before dumping old copies?

My usual recommendation to clients is:
* weekly backup
* 8 incrementals
That way R&R will do a new full backup every two months.

A few clients who are especially concerned with safety do daily backup.

>> If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
>> R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?

Yes.

>> R&R is not working now. Tried to use it to delete an old backup and
>> it hung the system.

My guess(tm) is that you didn't wait long enough, a common problem.
Deleting incremental backups can take a long time if not deleted from
most recent going back, because TR&R has to merge the remaining
incremental backups -- it's not a simple deletion.

>> I would like to remove R&R with Revo Uninstaller,
>> delete all old R&R backups and start all over.

You should be fine if you just apply all updates with System Update,
configure the number of backups to keep, and start a new full backup --
no need to get more violent than that.

>> Where do I go to
>> download R&R?

System Update should offer to download and install it after it's been
uninstalled. Or you can go to
<http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-4Q2QAK.html>

>With all due respect, you've seen the future.
>Do yourself a favor and DUMP R&R.

Pay no attention to bashers who don't understand how real backup works
-- TR&R is very good, a great way to keep your system protected.

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On Oct 2, 9:18*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
> >> R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?
>
> Yes.

Interesting. So, no cloning needed? Is there a boot disk that
enables that?
Is that process laid-out somewhere?

> >> R&R is not working now. *Tried to use it to delete an old backup and
> >> it hung the system. *
>
> My guess(tm) is that you didn't wait long enough, a common problem.
> Deleting incremental backups can take a long time if not deleted from
> most recent going back, because TR&R has to merge the remaining
> incremental backups -- it's not a simple deletion.
>

That sounds like a pretty good guess. Must be the voice of
experience. I'll give it another try, starting with the most recent
(last February).

> >With all due respect, you've seen the future.
> >Do yourself a favor and DUMP R&R.
>
> Pay no attention to bashers who don't understand how real backup works
> -- TR&R is very good, a great way to keep your system protected.

Wow, your own private heckler. You must really be good, John. Thanks
for your help.

One more topic. Could R&R be installed on an old TP that is 98SE
based? Pentium III, 96MB RAM, 4GB HD, floppy and read-only CD, 8GB
USB flash drive. If not, would you have a backup strategy for that
system? What about replicating the installed OS on a new HDD?

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:11:30 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
<spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in
<a4a827f8-9635-4a6d-8b49-06dbcb8cebd1@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:

>On Oct 2, 9:18*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
>> >> R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?
>>
>> Yes.
>
>Interesting. So, no cloning needed?

No cloning needed.

>Is there a boot disk that
>enables that?

Yes.

>Is that process laid-out somewhere?

It can be created automatically as part of a full backup or on demand.

>Wow, your own private heckler. You must really be good, John. Thanks
>for your help.

You're welcome. Goes with the territory.

>One more topic. Could R&R be installed on an old TP that is 98SE
>based? Pentium III, 96MB RAM, 4GB HD, floppy and read-only CD, 8GB
>USB flash drive. If not, would you have a backup strategy for that
>system? What about replicating the installed OS on a new HDD?

TR&R is only supported on Windows 2000 and later -- won't work on 98SE.

A good and affordable backup solution is Paragon Drive Backup Personal:
<http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/>
While it doesn't support 98SE directly, you can create a bootable
"Recovery CD" that will back up pretty much anything.
<http://www.paragon-software.com/home/db-personal/recovery_CD.html>
Recommended.

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Teflon wrote:
> On Oct 2, 9:18 am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> If a HD goes bad physically, can the System partition copy made with
>>>> R&R be used to regenerate the System on a new HD?
>> Yes.
>
> Interesting. So, no cloning needed? Is there a boot disk that
> enables that?
> Is that process laid-out somewhere?
>
>>>> R&R is not working now. Tried to use it to delete an old backup and
>>>> it hung the system.
>> My guess(tm) is that you didn't wait long enough, a common problem.
>> Deleting incremental backups can take a long time if not deleted from
>> most recent going back, because TR&R has to merge the remaining
>> incremental backups -- it's not a simple deletion.
>>
>
> That sounds like a pretty good guess. Must be the voice of
> experience. I'll give it another try, starting with the most recent
> (last February).
>
>>> With all due respect, you've seen the future.
>>> Do yourself a favor and DUMP R&R.
>> Pay no attention to bashers who don't understand how real backup works
>> -- TR&R is very good, a great way to keep your system protected.
>
> Wow, your own private heckler. You must really be good, John. Thanks
> for your help.


Yeah, be sure to call him when it's unrecoverable.