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Old 09-26-2009, 03:28 PM
John Navas
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:10:28 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
<5oydnchIXY_XXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>John Navas wrote:


>>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.

>>
>> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.

>
>I see. R&R is an annuity for you.


It is. Happy clients keep coming back. Unhappy clients don't.
Which is why I use and recommend TR&R.

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Old 09-26-2009, 03:28 PM
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:11:42 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
<5oydnctIXY8JXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>John Navas wrote:


>> TR&R is a full-blown backup and restore program, not just an imaging
>> program, that can restore an entire disk or just individual files.
>> It supports both full and incremental backups, automated operation, and
>> much more.


>> ATI is a straightforward disk imaging program. TR&R is more efficient
>> for regular backups.


>> System Restore (restore points) just protect certain disk areas and
>> allow you to roll them back to an earlier state. It can be useful, but
>> is much less capable than the other tools.


>If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
>imaging is the ONLY way to go.
>
>Period.
>
>Full stop.


Simply not true.

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Old 09-26-2009, 03:30 PM
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:03:45 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
<spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in
<0781c103-5381-4795-9d74-d8095232ec5a@t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:

>On Sep 24, 3:41*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>>
>> The System Update service was restored by early June, has worked since
>> then, and can be used for updates to ThinkPads apps, including TR&R.
>> <http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TVSU-UPDATE.html>

>
>OK John, got it installed, updated my system and did several
>rechecks. There seems to be a problem with a 'Critical' patch for
>R&R.
>
>Installed updates shows that 'R&R Critical Patch for Windows Update
>(KB917422)' as being installed, yet every time I search for updates,
>there it is again, demanding to be installed. Seems to be a problem
>someplace.
>
>Is it my system, or is the problem on Lenovo's end?


My guess(tm) is your system, since I don't see that problem on my own
system or any of the systems I administer.

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Old 09-26-2009, 03:44 PM
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On Sep 26, 9:15*am, Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
> Bob Villa wrote:
> >> If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk

> > imaging is the ONLY way to go.

>
> > Period.

>
> > Full stop.

>
> > So...if I clone to a USB drive-1 and drive 0 fails...I don't have a
> > reliable replacement?
> > (Is "Full Stop" an oxy-moron?)

>
> > bob_v

>
> Imaging is cloning.
>
> Boot from the USB or replace the failed drive with the imaged drive.


Simply put...cloning is an exact copy sector for sector of the source
drive...imaging is not!

bob_v
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:18 PM
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Bob Villa wrote:
> On Sep 26, 9:15 am, Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
>> Bob Villa wrote:
>>>> If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
>>> imaging is the ONLY way to go.
>>> Period.
>>> Full stop.
>>> So...if I clone to a USB drive-1 and drive 0 fails...I don't have a
>>> reliable replacement?
>>> (Is "Full Stop" an oxy-moron?)
>>> bob_v

>> Imaging is cloning.
>>
>> Boot from the USB or replace the failed drive with the imaged drive.

>
> Simply put...cloning is an exact copy sector for sector of the source
> drive...imaging is not!
>
> bob_v



Good luck booting from your clone.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:19 PM
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John Navas wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:10:28 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
> <5oydnchIXY_XXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>
>> John Navas wrote:

>
>>>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>>>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.
>>> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.

>> I see. R&R is an annuity for you.

>
> It is. Happy clients keep coming back. Unhappy clients don't.
> Which is why I use and recommend TR&R.
>



Pooched clients have no immediate choice, do they?
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Old 09-27-2009, 07:54 PM
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:19:56 -0400, Not Me <Not.Me@Home.Base> wrote in
<ZOadne-Ulc-5oiPXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d@speakeasy.net>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:10:28 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
>> <5oydnchIXY_XXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:

>>
>>>>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>>>>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.
>>>> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.
>>> I see. R&R is an annuity for you.

>>
>> It is. Happy clients keep coming back. Unhappy clients don't.
>> Which is why I use and recommend TR&R.

>
>Pooched clients have no immediate choice, do they?


Of course they do. You must not understand the business any better than
you understand backup software.

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Old 09-27-2009, 10:27 PM
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John Navas wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:19:56 -0400, Not Me <Not.Me@Home.Base> wrote in
> <ZOadne-Ulc-5oiPXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d@speakeasy.net>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:10:28 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
>>> <5oydnchIXY_XXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>>>
>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>>>>>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.
>>>>> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.
>>>> I see. R&R is an annuity for you.
>>> It is. Happy clients keep coming back. Unhappy clients don't.
>>> Which is why I use and recommend TR&R.

>> Pooched clients have no immediate choice, do they?

>
> Of course they do. You must not understand the business any better than
> you understand backup software.
>


Understand both well enough to wipe R&R off any Thinkpad I've owned.

And you understand annuities well enough to leave it on your erstwhile
clients'.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:32 AM
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:27:34 -0400, Not Me <Not.Me@Home.Base> wrote in
<f4KdncXtRZhbRSLXnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>John Navas wrote:
>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:19:56 -0400, Not Me <Not.Me@Home.Base> wrote in
>> <ZOadne-Ulc-5oiPXnZ2dnUVZ_hFi4p2d@speakeasy.net>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>>>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:10:28 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
>>>> <5oydnchIXY_XXCHXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>>>>
>>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>>>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>>>>>>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.
>>>>>> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.
>>>>> I see. R&R is an annuity for you.
>>>> It is. Happy clients keep coming back. Unhappy clients don't.
>>>> Which is why I use and recommend TR&R.
>>> Pooched clients have no immediate choice, do they?

>>
>> Of course they do. You must not understand the business any better than
>> you understand backup software.

>
>Understand both well enough to wipe R&R off any Thinkpad I've owned.
>
>And you understand annuities well enough to leave it on your erstwhile
>clients'.


You have at least mastered silly insults -- I guess that takes up all
your time. Into the twit filter you go.

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