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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:50:06 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
<JcednXnYSeZ_8CfXnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>John Navas wrote:
>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:06:27 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
>> <G96dncO86If6tifXnZ2dnUVZ_jJi4p2d@speakeasy.net> :
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>
>>>> Not on my T30. Admittedly that was some years ago. Perhaps it's better
>>>> now. But I still personally wouldn't trust it, especially since
>>>> ThinkVantage Rescue and Recovery does such a good job, is free, and
>>>> supported by Lenovo.
>>> I have never had any success whatsoever with RR and its predecessors.
>>>
>>> YMMV.
>>
>> It does
>
>You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>ATI being far more intuitive to use.
To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.
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On Sep 23, 11:03*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:06:27 -0400, News <N...@Group.Name> wrote in
> <G96dncO86If6tifXnZ2dnUVZ_jJi4...@speakeasy.net> :
>
> >John Navas wrote:
> >> Not on my T30. *Admittedly that was some years ago. *Perhaps it's better
> >> now. *But I still personally wouldn't trust it, especially since
> >> ThinkVantage Rescue and Recovery does such a good job, is free, and
> >> supported by Lenovo.
>
> >I have never had any success whatsoever with RR and its predecessors.
>
> >YMMV.
>
> It does -- never had a problem with TR&R (as I have with so many other
> programs, including ATI) -- perhaps because I've been using the latest
> TR&R version, and carefully following directions.
John, back in April, I recall getting a message from Lenovo, when my
system hung while I was trying to use TV System Update, saying that
app was dead and Lenovo was going to be offering a different way to
update the TV apps. The message said the new way was supposed to be
available in May. I haven't heard anything since. How and where did
you get the latest version of TR&R, and updates for all the rest of
the TV apps?
Also, was that an affirmative on it being safe to delete the 'Service'
partition? What's in it?
On Sep 24, 1:47*pm, Teflon <spambaitmeis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 23, 11:03*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
> Also, was that an affirmative on it being safe to delete the 'Service'
> partition? *What's in it?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just a p.s. to my question. I did install Acronis True Image and
successfully created an image of both the System partition and the
Service partition on an external HD.
Question, does TR&R essentially produce images, like ATI, or does it
produce Restore Points, like XP?
Never did understand the difference between what R&R (or ATI) creates
and Restore Points. Anyone care to explain?
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
<spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in
<d3922019-634b-426f-874e-85f8e9adc516@y10g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
>On Sep 23, 11:03*am, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> It does -- never had a problem with TR&R (as I have with so many other
>> programs, including ATI) -- perhaps because I've been using the latest
>> TR&R version, and carefully following directions.
>
>John, back in April, I recall getting a message from Lenovo, when my
>system hung while I was trying to use TV System Update, saying that
>app was dead and Lenovo was going to be offering a different way to
>update the TV apps. The message said the new way was supposed to be
>available in May. I haven't heard anything since. How and where did
>you get the latest version of TR&R, and updates for all the rest of
>the TV apps?
The System Update service was restored by early June, has worked since
then, and can be used for updates to ThinkPads apps, including TR&R.
<http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TVSU-UPDATE.html>
>Also, was that an affirmative on it being safe to delete the 'Service'
>partition? What's in it?
The service partition contains diagnostics and a disk image that can be
used to restore the disk to the original contents. I recommend keeping
it, but it can be deleted safely if you don't want those things.
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
<spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in
<14c91fc7-5a5c-4501-b91b-f29511a80179@i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>:
>Question, does TR&R essentially produce images, like ATI, or does it
>produce Restore Points, like XP?
TR&R is a full-blown backup and restore program, not just an imaging
program, that can restore an entire disk or just individual files.
It supports both full and incremental backups, automated operation, and
much more.
>Never did understand the difference between what R&R (or ATI) creates
>and Restore Points. Anyone care to explain?
ATI is a straightforward disk imaging program. TR&R is more efficient
for regular backups.
System Restore (restore points) just protect certain disk areas and
allow you to roll them back to an earlier state. It can be useful, but
is much less capable than the other tools.
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John Navas wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:50:06 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
> <JcednXnYSeZ_8CfXnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:06:27 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
>>> <G96dncO86If6tifXnZ2dnUVZ_jJi4p2d@speakeasy.net> :
>>>
>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>> Not on my T30. Admittedly that was some years ago. Perhaps it's better
>>>>> now. But I still personally wouldn't trust it, especially since
>>>>> ThinkVantage Rescue and Recovery does such a good job, is free, and
>>>>> supported by Lenovo.
>>>> I have never had any success whatsoever with RR and its predecessors.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV.
>>> It does
>> You're right, it does. Whether or not you read and follow instructions,
>> ATI being far more intuitive to use.
>
> To you. Not to me. Not to my clients.
>
John Navas wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:56:54 -0700 (PDT), Teflon
> <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in
> <14c91fc7-5a5c-4501-b91b-f29511a80179@i18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> Question, does TR&R essentially produce images, like ATI, or does it
>> produce Restore Points, like XP?
>
> TR&R is a full-blown backup and restore program, not just an imaging
> program, that can restore an entire disk or just individual files.
> It supports both full and incremental backups, automated operation, and
> much more.
>
>> Never did understand the difference between what R&R (or ATI) creates
>> and Restore Points. Anyone care to explain?
>
> ATI is a straightforward disk imaging program. TR&R is more efficient
> for regular backups.
>
> System Restore (restore points) just protect certain disk areas and
> allow you to roll them back to an earlier state. It can be useful, but
> is much less capable than the other tools.
>
If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
imaging is the ONLY way to go.
On Sep 24, 3:41*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> [Follow-up set to comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad]
>
> The System Update service was restored by early June, has worked since
> then, and can be used for updates to ThinkPads apps, including TR&R.
> <http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/TVSU-UPDATE.html>
>
OK John, got it installed, updated my system and did several
rechecks. There seems to be a problem with a 'Critical' patch for
R&R.
Installed updates shows that 'R&R Critical Patch for Windows Update
(KB917422)' as being installed, yet every time I search for updates,
there it is again, demanding to be installed. Seems to be a problem
someplace.
Is it my system, or is the problem on Lenovo's end?
Bob Villa wrote:
>> If you want to be sure a backup will work reliably and as intended, disk
> imaging is the ONLY way to go.
>
> Period.
>
> Full stop.
>
>
> So...if I clone to a USB drive-1 and drive 0 fails...I don't have a
> reliable replacement?
> (Is "Full Stop" an oxy-moron?)
>
> bob_v
Imaging is cloning.
Boot from the USB or replace the failed drive with the imaged drive.
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