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Old 10-19-2009, 09:00 PM
Franc Zabkar
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Default SSD SMART attributes

The following SMART attributes appear in the documentation for HDAT2:

ID Description
-----------------------------
170 (AAh) Reserved Block Count
171 (ABh) Program Fail Count
172 (ACh) Erase Fail Count
173 (ADh) Wear Leveling Count
174 (AEh) Unexpected Power Loss

I expect that they are SSD attributes only.

See http://www.hdat2.com/files/hdat2en_v11.pdf

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Old 10-19-2009, 10:20 PM
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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> kenjka:
> The following SMART attributes appear in the documentation for HDAT2:


> ID Description
> -----------------------------
> 170 (AAh) Reserved Block Count
> 171 (ABh) Program Fail Count
> 172 (ACh) Erase Fail Count
> 173 (ADh) Wear Leveling Count
> 174 (AEh) Unexpected Power Loss


> I expect that they are SSD attributes only.


> See http://www.hdat2.com/files/hdat2en_v11.pdf



Wear leveling is SSD-only feature...

Reserved block count can be applied to both SSD and rotational drives...

Unexpected power loss? I think it can be applied to both technologies...

Erase fail count - SSD only...

Program fail count - SSD only...

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Old 10-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: SSD SMART attributes

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:20:35 +0000 (UTC),
calypso@fly.srk.fer.hr.invalid put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> kenjka:
>> The following SMART attributes appear in the documentation for HDAT2:

>
>> ID Description
>> -----------------------------
>> 170 (AAh) Reserved Block Count
>> 171 (ABh) Program Fail Count
>> 172 (ACh) Erase Fail Count
>> 173 (ADh) Wear Leveling Count
>> 174 (AEh) Unexpected Power Loss

>
>> I expect that they are SSD attributes only.

>
>> See http://www.hdat2.com/files/hdat2en_v11.pdf

>
>
>Wear leveling is SSD-only feature...
>
>Reserved block count can be applied to both SSD and rotational drives...
>
>Unexpected power loss? I think it can be applied to both technologies...
>
>Erase fail count - SSD only...
>
>Program fail count - SSD only...


I suspect that the above attributes were introduced as a group by one
SSD manufacturer.

The list of attributes also includes the following:

99 (63h) Average FHC (Maxtor)
100 (64h) Erase/Program cycles (Maxtor) ... ???
101 (65h) Maximum FHC (Maxtor)

FHC = flying height control ???

Other interesting attributes are ...

241 (F1h) Total LBA Write (IBM)
242 (F2h) Total LBA Read (IBM)

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Old 10-25-2009, 08:02 PM
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
descriptions:

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt

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Old 10-25-2009, 10:33 PM
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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:


> I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
> descriptions:


> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt


Interesting!

Lets see what mine (OCZ Core 32GB) supports:

9 with a raw value of 0, i.e. meaningless
12 with a raw value of 3950, that does not seem to change, again
meaningless
194 Temperature, works
229, 232, 233, 234, 235: Still unknown

A bit disapointing. Not your fault of course.

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:12 AM
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On 25 Oct 2009 21:33:05 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
>> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>
>> I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
>> descriptions:

>
>> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt

>
>Interesting!
>
>Lets see what mine (OCZ Core 32GB) supports:
>
> 9 with a raw value of 0, i.e. meaningless
> 12 with a raw value of 3950, that does not seem to change, again
> meaningless
>194 Temperature, works
>229, 232, 233, 234, 235: Still unknown
>
>A bit disapointing. Not your fault of course.
>
>Arno


On 19 Jan 2009 21:02:28 GMT your SMART stats were:

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 - 0

12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 - 241

194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0007 032 100 000 - 0

229 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 259986015180268

232 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 048 000 - 9028846498104

233 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 0

234 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 592722311424

235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 187423

Was that a different device?

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Old 10-26-2009, 08:28 AM
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On 25 Oct 2009 21:33:05 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
>> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>
>> I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
>> descriptions:

>
>> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt

>
>Interesting!
>
>Lets see what mine (OCZ Core 32GB) supports:
>
> 9 with a raw value of 0, i.e. meaningless
> 12 with a raw value of 3950, that does not seem to change, again
> meaningless
>194 Temperature, works
>229, 232, 233, 234, 235: Still unknown
>
>A bit disapointing. Not your fault of course.
>
>Arno


Try Hard Disk Sentinel for Linux:
http://www.hdsentinel.com/hdslin.php

Solid State Disk Compatibility:
http://www.hdsentinel.com/compatibility_ssd.php

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Old 10-26-2009, 10:32 AM
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Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> On 25 Oct 2009 21:33:05 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> put finger to
> keyboard and composed:


>>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
>>> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>>
>>> I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
>>> descriptions:

>>
>>> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt

>>
>>Interesting!
>>
>>Lets see what mine (OCZ Core 32GB) supports:
>>
>> 9 with a raw value of 0, i.e. meaningless
>> 12 with a raw value of 3950, that does not seem to change, again
>> meaningless
>>194 Temperature, works
>>229, 232, 233, 234, 235: Still unknown
>>
>>A bit disapointing. Not your fault of course.
>>
>>Arno


> On 19 Jan 2009 21:02:28 GMT your SMART stats were:


> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 - 0


> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 - 241


> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0007 032 100 000 - 0


> 229 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 259986015180268


> 232 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 048 000 - 9028846498104


> 233 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 0


> 234 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 592722311424


> 235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 187423


> Was that a different device?


Hmm. No. Let me check again.

Ok, seems temperature is stuck at cooked 32, which means it
does not actually work. My mistake. Speedfan seems to
display temerature though, and it does raise slightly after
power on and makes sense. No idea what it does or where it gets
the data.

Attribute 12 is now 3956, so it might actually be a device
reset count, not a power cycle count. I had one power-cycle
since yesterday, but a number of reboots.

The other attributes are exactly the same as January, except for
234, which is now raw 571364925191.

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Old 10-26-2009, 10:35 AM
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Arno <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>> On 25 Oct 2009 21:33:05 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> put finger to
>> keyboard and composed:


>>>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:00:41 +1100, Franc Zabkar
>>>> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>>>
>>>> I've found quite a few more SSD & CompactFlash SMART attributes, with
>>>> descriptions:
>>>
>>>> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/SSD_CF_attribs.txt
>>>
>>>Interesting!
>>>
>>>Lets see what mine (OCZ Core 32GB) supports:
>>>
>>> 9 with a raw value of 0, i.e. meaningless
>>> 12 with a raw value of 3950, that does not seem to change, again
>>> meaningless
>>>194 Temperature, works
>>>229, 232, 233, 234, 235: Still unknown
>>>
>>>A bit disapointing. Not your fault of course.
>>>
>>>Arno


>> On 19 Jan 2009 21:02:28 GMT your SMART stats were:


>> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 - 0


>> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 - 241


>> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0007 032 100 000 - 0


>> 229 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 259986015180268


>> 232 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 048 000 - 9028846498104


>> 233 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 0


>> 234 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 592722311424


>> 235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 187423


>> Was that a different device?


> Hmm. No. Let me check again.


> Ok, seems temperature is stuck at cooked 32, which means it
> does not actually work. My mistake. Speedfan seems to
> display temerature though, and it does raise slightly after
> power on and makes sense. No idea what it does or where it gets
> the data.


Ah, found it. Speedfan swaps HD0 and HD1 in display for some reasonm
probably a bug. This means it does not get temperature from the
SSD either.

Arno

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Old 10-26-2009, 10:06 PM
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On 26 Oct 2009 09:32:17 GMT, Arno <me@privacy.net> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

>Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:


>> On 19 Jan 2009 21:02:28 GMT your SMART stats were:

>
>> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 100 100 000 - 0

>
>> 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 - 241

>
>> 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0007 032 100 000 - 0

>
>> 229 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 259986015180268

>
>> 232 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 048 000 - 9028846498104

>
>> 233 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 0

>
>> 234 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 592722311424

>
>> 235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0002 100 000 000 - 187423

>
>> Was that a different device?

>
>Hmm. No. Let me check again.
>
>Ok, seems temperature is stuck at cooked 32, which means it
>does not actually work. My mistake. Speedfan seems to
>display temerature though, and it does raise slightly after
>power on and makes sense. No idea what it does or where it gets
>the data.
>
>Attribute 12 is now 3956, so it might actually be a device
>reset count, not a power cycle count. I had one power-cycle
>since yesterday, but a number of reboots.
>
>The other attributes are exactly the same as January, except for
>234, which is now raw 571364925191.
>
>Arno


Attribute 234 looks like it may be multibyte. For example, some bytes
have increased by 7, another has fallen by 5.

592722311424 = 0x008a0100b900
571364925191 = 0x00850800df07

Attribute 232 looks suspiciously like an ASCII string. Aside from the
leading 08, "3631303138" is an ASCII numeric string, "61018".

9028846498104 = 0x083631303138

I can't see any pattern in the following:

259986015180268 = 0xec74b614d5ec

187423 = 0x00000002dc1f

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