Seagate Drive Models..Whitch one..?

"Brian Mathews" <bm@yummy.conn> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:21:23 -0600, DevilsPGD
> <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In message <a6fi94l7j9099bcuq4usd1qp8j2gmp4fpi@4ax.com> Brian Mathews
>><bm@yummy.conn> wrote:
>>
>>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250310AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>>
>>>
>>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250310AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>>
>>>
>>>Which is the better drive to get, here the 16MB Buffer models is a is a
>>>few $ cheaper..
>>>
>>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250820AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have the Seagate docs, but what is better 3 heads, 2 platters or 2
>>>heads 1 platter.?
>>>
>>>
>>>The price here does not always reflect this.
>>
>>Is there a particular reason you're looking at 7200.10 rather then
>>7200.11?
>
>
>
> Yes as its not sold here..

That indeed may be a blessing for you!

Tony

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
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> In message <a6fi94l7j9099bcuq4usd1qp8j2gmp4fpi@4ax.com> Brian Mathews
> <bm@yummy.conn> wrote:
>
>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250310AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>
>>
>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250310AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>
>>
>>Which is the better drive to get, here the 16MB Buffer models is a is a
>>few $ cheaper..
>>
>>Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (ST3250820AS) - Hard Disk Drive - 250GB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have the Seagate docs, but what is better 3 heads, 2 platters or 2
>>heads 1 platter.?
>>
>>
>>The price here does not always reflect this.
>
> Is there a particular reason you're looking at 7200.10 rather then
> 7200.11?

Not to butt in, but I won't trust the 7200.11s with my or anyone else's data
until Seagate discloses what is causing these drives to fail for so many
purchasers and that they have fixed the problem(s).

Tony

"terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:28:09 +1200, Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>> Yes but Only a 3 year warrantee.
>
> If you are relying on the warranty, make sure you have the forms and
> proceedure sorted before you buy and have considered that in the eval, i.e
> if you have to courier them interstate, then that may tilt the best buy.

That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
practice if you ask me. At this point, I'm wondering if they are sending me
replacement drives that other people sent in as defectives without doing
anything to them and using me as a drive tester! (Yes, I'm fed up with it
now).

Tony

Tony wrote in news:fFSok.18238$mh5.10831@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com
> "terryc" <newssixspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message newsan.2008.08.07.12.26.08.608465@woa.com.au...
> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:28:09 +1200, Brian Mathews wrote:
> >
> > > Yes but Only a 3 year warrantee.
> >
> > If you are relying on the warranty, make sure you have the forms and
> > proceedure sorted before you buy and have considered that in the eval, i.e
> > if you have to courier them interstate, then that may tilt the best buy.

> That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
> practice if you ask me.

It's quite normal.

> At this point, I'm wondering if they are sending me replacement
> drives that other people sent in as defectives without doing anything
> to them and using me as a drive tester! (Yes, I'm fed up with it now).

No they don't.
Seagate relabels refurbished drives so they can be recognized as such.

>
> Tony

Tony wrote in news:8wSok.18234$mh5.2963@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com
> "Brian Mathews" <bm@yummy.conn> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:40:53 +0800, "Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)"
> > <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think Hitachi's disks are a bit cooler and faster...
> >
> > Yes but Only a 3 year warrantee.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes I had 4 IBM drives and they all went back, so no way I would buy
> > them..

> I remember the IBM "deathstar" series

It wasn't a series.

> as I had gotten some of those hockey
> pucks and won't be buying Hitachis any time soon. I've had good luck with
> Maxtor (though don't know if the new ones still run on the warm side like my
> old ones do/did) and Western Digital (but haven't bought one of those since
> the noisey original Caviars) and Seagate a few years ago (7200.9) before the
> 7200.11 fiasco. If Seagate's quality continues to drop, I'll probably
> evaluate Samsung drives next.
>
> Tony

In message <fFSok.18238$mh5.10831@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> "Tony"
<MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:

>That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
>practice if you ask me.

Why? You're not sending a new drive, why do you expect a new one back?

>At this point, I'm wondering if they are sending me
>replacement drives that other people sent in as defectives without doing
>anything to them and using me as a drive tester! (Yes, I'm fed up with it
>now).

That would seem unlikely, however, a trial version of any disk recovery
software would probably help you test that.

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
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> In message <fFSok.18238$mh5.10831@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> "Tony"
> <MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:
>
>>That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
>>practice if you ask me.
>
> Why? You're not sending a new drive, why do you expect a new one back?

Because I never ever received one that lasted beyond initial testing. I
bought new and most of these drives started to fail immediately. It's that
I'm having to accept refurbished though I purchased new. Perhaps that
practice would be reasonable for those sending drives back after most of the
warranty period has lapsed, but for DOA and even those that last only a
week? For a product that has a 5-year warranty? Bah! Bad practice.

>
>>At this point, I'm wondering if they are sending me
>>replacement drives that other people sent in as defectives without doing
>>anything to them and using me as a drive tester! (Yes, I'm fed up with it
>>now).
>
> That would seem unlikely, however, a trial version of any disk recovery
> software would probably help you test that.

That would work. I should probably perform that as the first test. (As if I
don't already have too much time invested with the bad drives!).

Tony

"Squeeze" <rubberduck@duckies.au> wrote in message
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> Tony wrote in news:8wSok.18234$mh5.2963@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com
>> "Brian Mathews" <bm@yummy.conn> wrote in message
>> news:nb5l94pjv0h920vdkhkm5osuh9nes1kmdg@4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:40:53 +0800, "Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)"
>> > <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > I think Hitachi's disks are a bit cooler and faster...
>> >
>> > Yes but Only a 3 year warrantee.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes I had 4 IBM drives and they all went back, so no way I would
>> > buy
>> > them..
>
>> I remember the IBM "deathstar" series
>
> It wasn't a series.


Semantics. "product line" or "model" then. I still have one for show and
tell purposes.

>> as I had gotten some of those hockey
>> pucks and won't be buying Hitachis any time soon. I've had good luck with
>> Maxtor (though don't know if the new ones still run on the warm side like
>> my
>> old ones do/did) and Western Digital (but haven't bought one of those
>> since
>> the noisey original Caviars) and Seagate a few years ago (7200.9) before
>> the
>> 7200.11 fiasco. If Seagate's quality continues to drop, I'll probably
>> evaluate Samsung drives next.
>>
>> Tony

In message <J3vqk.10540$L_.8817@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com> "Tony"
<MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:

>
>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>news:vo1ba41s4er1d7eopg1spuv2lgq661u9bc@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <fFSok.18238$mh5.10831@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> "Tony"
>> <MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:
>>
>>>That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
>>>practice if you ask me.
>>
>> Why? You're not sending a new drive, why do you expect a new one back?
>
>Because I never ever received one that lasted beyond initial testing. I
>bought new and most of these drives started to fail immediately. It's that
>I'm having to accept refurbished though I purchased new. Perhaps that
>practice would be reasonable for those sending drives back after most of the
>warranty period has lapsed, but for DOA and even those that last only a
>week?

If it's DOA, return it to the supplier as non-merchantable and get a new
new one. A DOA return is a very different process then a warranty
return, and in many jurisdictions even if the terms are all-sales-final,
the merchant is still responsible for replacing or refunding (unless the
item is also labeled as-is, of course)

In article <J3vqk.10540$L_.8817@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>, "Tony" <MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:
>
>"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>news:vo1ba41s4er1d7eopg1spuv2lgq661u9bc@4ax.com.. .
>> In message <fFSok.18238$mh5.10831@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com> "Tony"
>> <MyEmail@my.isp.net> wrote:
>>
>>>That Seagate replaces drives under warranty with REFURBISHED drives is bad
>>>practice if you ask me.
>>
>> Why? You're not sending a new drive, why do you expect a new one back?
>
>Because I never ever received one that lasted beyond initial testing. I
>bought new and most of these drives started to fail immediately. It's that
>I'm having to accept refurbished though I purchased new. Perhaps that
>practice would be reasonable for those sending drives back after most of the
>warranty period has lapsed, but for DOA and even those that last only a
>week? For a product that has a 5-year warranty? Bah! Bad practice.
>

Like a car, the secong you removed the drive from the pachage and placed in
your PC, it wasnt "new" anymore.


>>
>>>At this point, I'm wondering if they are sending me
>>>replacement drives that other people sent in as defectives without doing
>>>anything to them and using me as a drive tester! (Yes, I'm fed up with it
>>>now).
>>
>> That would seem unlikely, however, a trial version of any disk recovery
>> software would probably help you test that.
>
>That would work. I should probably perform that as the first test. (As if I
>don't already have too much time invested with the bad drives!).
>
>Tony
>