> Can this card run two seperate disk file systems or does it have to
> run a raid pair?
> Has anyone used it?
This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
work fine as ordinary controller.
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
In article <5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net>,
Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
> in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
> SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
> work fine as ordinary controller.
I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I haven't
heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could you please
explain this further? What are the negatives and how can we identify the
cards?
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net>,
> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
>> in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
>> SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
>> work fine as ordinary controller.
> I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I
> haven't heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could
> you please explain this further? What are the negatives and how can
> we identify the cards?
I like to dinstinguish FakeRAID and software RAID. To me software
RAID is a feature of the OS and completely accessible to the
user with OS-integrated tools to manage it. Software RAID is not
tied to some controller or even interface technology. Ideally, it
can also be done with partitions.
Hardware RAID, once assembled (initialized), presents itself to the OS
and generally the PC-side of its interface, as one large device.
There will still be some management software, but all the RAID
operations are done on the card. Hardware RAID cards have their own
small computer in them, with some limited degree of autonomity. The
primary advantage is that hardware RAID does typically work without
special drivers and that things like disk replacement can even be
hidden from the OS. The second advantages is that the busses in the
PC do only need to carry the final datastream and the CPU does not
need to do any RAID algorithms.
FakeRAID is software RAID in the BIOS chip of the controller.
This has all the bad sides of hardware RAID, namely controller
failure makes the RAID unacessible and all the bad sides of software
RAID, namely more load on CPU and busses, without the advantages
of either. It also tends to be OS specific. The reason to call it
FakeRAID is that these things are marketed as if they were hardware
RAID, when they are not. IMO, it is a worst possible solution.
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
Arno Wagner wrote in news:5pmhcjFr39o5U1@mid.individual.net
> Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> > In article 5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net, Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> > > This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
> > > in the BIOS chip.
Which is called Firmware RAID by everyone else but Babblebot Wakner.
> > > That means it is actually a pretty ordinary SATA controller card.
> > > If its driver supports it, it should work fine as ordinary controller.
Like it's BIOS has got nothing to say about it.
>
> > I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I
> > haven't heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could
> > you please explain this further? What are the negatives and how can
> > we identify the cards?
>
> A discussion can be found here: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
>
> I like to dinstinguish FakeRAID and software RAID. To me software
> RAID is a feature of the OS and completely accessible to the
> user with OS-integrated tools to manage it. Software RAID is not
> tied to some controller or even interface technology. Ideally, it
> can also be done with partitions.
>
> Hardware RAID, once assembled (initialized), presents itself to the OS
> and generally the PC-side of its interface, as one large device.
> There will still be some management software, but all the RAID
> operations are done on the card. Hardware RAID cards have their own
> small computer in them, with some limited degree of autonomity.
> The primary advantage is that hardware RAID does typically work
> without special drivers
That's utter nonsense.
> and that things like disk replacement can even be hidden from the OS.
More nonsense.
> The second advantages
The moron can't even count.
> is that the busses in the PC do only need to carry the final data
> stream and the CPU does not need to do any RAID algorithms.
Pity it has to send the data over the PCI bus twice.
>
> FakeRAID is software RAID in the BIOS chip of the controller.
> This has all the bad sides of hardware RAID, namely controller
> failure makes the RAID unacessible and all the bad sides of software
> RAID, namely more load on CPU
> and busses,
Babblebot Wakner utterly clueless, as always.
> without the advantages of either.
> It also tends to be OS specific.
More nonsense.
> The reason to call it FakeRAID is that these things are marketed as
> if they were hardware RAID, when they are not.
Google Wakner + Fake + Raid.
> IMO, it is a worst possible solution.
Yes, Babblebot but then your brain is cooked thouroughly.
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
In article <5pmhcjFr39o5U1@mid.individual.net>,
Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net>,
> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
> >> in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
> >> SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
> >> work fine as ordinary controller.
>
> > I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I
> > haven't heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could
> > you please explain this further? What are the negatives and how can
> > we identify the cards?
>
> A discussion can be found here: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
>
> I like to dinstinguish FakeRAID and software RAID. To me software
> RAID is a feature of the OS and completely accessible to the
> user with OS-integrated tools to manage it. Software RAID is not
> tied to some controller or even interface technology. Ideally, it
> can also be done with partitions.
>
> Hardware RAID, once assembled (initialized), presents itself to the OS
> and generally the PC-side of its interface, as one large device.
> There will still be some management software, but all the RAID
> operations are done on the card. Hardware RAID cards have their own
> small computer in them, with some limited degree of autonomity. The
> primary advantage is that hardware RAID does typically work without
> special drivers and that things like disk replacement can even be
> hidden from the OS. The second advantages is that the busses in the
> PC do only need to carry the final datastream and the CPU does not
> need to do any RAID algorithms.
>
> FakeRAID is software RAID in the BIOS chip of the controller.
> This has all the bad sides of hardware RAID, namely controller
> failure makes the RAID unacessible and all the bad sides of software
> RAID, namely more load on CPU and busses, without the advantages
> of either. It also tends to be OS specific. The reason to call it
> FakeRAID is that these things are marketed as if they were hardware
> RAID, when they are not. IMO, it is a worst possible solution.
>
> Arno
Arno, thanks for the lengthy explanation ... it was very informative.
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
TH O wrote in news:tho-48F79D.12382417112007@news.giganews.com
> In article <5pmhcjFr39o5U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article <5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net>,
> > > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
> > > > in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
> > > > SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
> > > > work fine as ordinary controller.
> >
> > > I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I
> > > haven't heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could
> > > you please explain this further? What are the negatives and how can
> > > we identify the cards?
> >
> > A discussion can be found here: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
> >
> > I like to dinstinguish FakeRAID and software RAID. To me software
> > RAID is a feature of the OS and completely accessible to the
> > user with OS-integrated tools to manage it. Software RAID is not
> > tied to some controller or even interface technology. Ideally, it
> > can also be done with partitions.
> >
> > Hardware RAID, once assembled (initialized), presents itself to the OS
> > and generally the PC-side of its interface, as one large device.
> > There will still be some management software, but all the RAID
> > operations are done on the card. Hardware RAID cards have their own
> > small computer in them, with some limited degree of autonomity. The
> > primary advantage is that hardware RAID does typically work without
> > special drivers and that things like disk replacement can even be
> > hidden from the OS. The second advantages is that the busses in the
> > PC do only need to carry the final datastream and the CPU does not
> > need to do any RAID algorithms.
> >
> > FakeRAID is software RAID in the BIOS chip of the controller.
> > This has all the bad sides of hardware RAID, namely controller
> > failure makes the RAID unacessible and all the bad sides of software
> > RAID, namely more load on CPU and busses, without the advantages
> > of either. It also tends to be OS specific. The reason to call it
> > FakeRAID is that these things are marketed as if they were hardware
> > RAID, when they are not. IMO, it is a worst possible solution.
> >
> > Arno
>
> Arno, thanks for the lengthy explanation ... it was very informative.
Some people just soo utterly deserve the clueless babblebot.
Re: PNY SATA Controller PCI card - Anyone use it ?
Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5pmhcjFr39o5U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Previously TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <5picjjFrbk8tU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> This looks like the typical FakeRAID card, i.e. software RAID
>> >> in the BIOS chip. That means it is actually a pretty ordinary
>> >> SATA controller card. If its driver supports it, it should
>> >> work fine as ordinary controller.
>>
>> > I'm aware of software raid built into the operating system but I
>> > haven't heard of differences between RAID cards (FakeRAID). Could
>> > you please explain this further? What are the negatives and how can
>> > we identify the cards?
>>
>> A discussion can be found here: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
>>
>> I like to dinstinguish FakeRAID and software RAID. To me software
>> RAID is a feature of the OS and completely accessible to the
>> user with OS-integrated tools to manage it. Software RAID is not
>> tied to some controller or even interface technology. Ideally, it
>> can also be done with partitions.
>>
>> Hardware RAID, once assembled (initialized), presents itself to the OS
>> and generally the PC-side of its interface, as one large device.
>> There will still be some management software, but all the RAID
>> operations are done on the card. Hardware RAID cards have their own
>> small computer in them, with some limited degree of autonomity. The
>> primary advantage is that hardware RAID does typically work without
>> special drivers and that things like disk replacement can even be
>> hidden from the OS. The second advantages is that the busses in the
>> PC do only need to carry the final datastream and the CPU does not
>> need to do any RAID algorithms.
>>
>> FakeRAID is software RAID in the BIOS chip of the controller.
>> This has all the bad sides of hardware RAID, namely controller
>> failure makes the RAID unacessible and all the bad sides of software
>> RAID, namely more load on CPU and busses, without the advantages
>> of either. It also tends to be OS specific. The reason to call it
>> FakeRAID is that these things are marketed as if they were hardware
>> RAID, when they are not. IMO, it is a worst possible solution.
>>
>> Arno
> Arno, thanks for the lengthy explanation ... it was very informative.
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