hi,
I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the other
still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).
I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued with
the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer everything
from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if possible)
Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS), and what
HDD type i need and what is good to buy?
Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?
nj wrote...
>
>hi,
>I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the other
>still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).
>
> I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued with
>the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer everything
>from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if possible)
>
>Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS), and what
>HDD type i need and what is good to buy?
>
>Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?
If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
It's time to buy a new PC.
A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor &
printer.
On Aug 12, 6:25 pm, harryooopot...@hotmail.co_ (Harry331) wrote:
> nj wrote...
>
> >hi,
> >I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the other
> >still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).
>
> > I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued with
> >the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer everything
> >from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if possible)
>
> >Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS), and what
> >HDD type i need and what is good to buy?
>
> >Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?
>
> If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
> It's time to buy a new PC.
>
> A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor &
> printer.
Hi,
It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb ram.
I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I would like to
get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in another desktop
and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.
On 13 Aug 2007, you wrote in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage:
> On Aug 12, 6:25 pm, harryooopot...@hotmail.co_ (Harry331) wrote:
>> nj wrote...
>>
>> >hi,
>> >I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the
>> >other still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).
>>
>> > I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued
>> > with
>> >the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer
>> >everything from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if
>> >possible)
>>
>> >Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS),
>> >and what HDD type i need and what is good to buy?
>>
>> >Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?
>>
>> If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
>> It's time to buy a new PC.
>>
>> A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor
>> & printer.
>
> Hi,
> It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb
> ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I
> would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in
> another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.
No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.
Do you presently have a working bootable XP partition? If so then buy
a new HDD and clone the existing bootable partition to it.
You could image and then restore but the easiest way to do this is
with an external HDD... which is more hardware to buy. Lots of
alternatives for imaging software: Image For Windows/Image For DOS,
Ghost, Acronis True Image (older version of ATI available free if you
look around carefully).
Which HDD to buy? Seagate seems to be the dominant player but you
might not like them if one of their drives failed inconveniently on
you in the past. All brands of HDD fail though -- BACKUP!! Seagate
offers a 5 y guarantee. Sweet spot in terms of $/GB is the 320 GB
size.
External HDD setup?? Buy the HDD and enclosure you want and assemble
yourself. If you plan to upgrade in the nearish future consider an
enclosure supporting eSATA -- it's super fast. Otherwise get one
supporting USB 2 and IEEE1394/Firewire. With a 320 GB internal HDD it
would be silly to have an 80 GB external HDD, if you get my drift.
When you have the new HDD of gigantic capacity you might as well keep
everything on it. Simplest setup is small C:\ for OS and programs,
larger D:\ for your data. (Easy and quick to image small C:\ to
safeguard against disaster.)
Your OS will run much faster from the new large HDD. After you've
transferred OS and/or data from the 12 GB HDD retire it from your
system and put it in the recycling collection. The speed and capacity
it offers is tantamount to useless these days.
On Aug 13, 6:48 am, Toast <m...@not.here> wrote:
> On 13 Aug 2007, you wrote in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 6:25 pm, harryooopot...@hotmail.co_ (Harry331) wrote:
> >> nj wrote...
>
> >> >hi,
> >> >I had 2 hard drives in my desktop. One died ( 40gb), and the
> >> >other still lives (an IBM 12GB, DESKSTAR TITAN 3.5' Ultra ATA).
>
> >> > I lost my windows and everything on the 1st one. Life continued
> >> > with
> >> >the IBM intact. Now I want to buy a new HDD, and transfer
> >> >everything from the small sized IBM HDD into the new one.(if
> >> >possible)
>
> >> >Can anyone advise me on what I can do (without losing my OS),
> >> >and what HDD type i need and what is good to buy?
>
> >> >Also, can I have a new larger cpacity HDD as a slave?
>
> >> If you have a 12GB HDD with an OS, your desktop must be very old.
> >> It's time to buy a new PC.
>
> >> A Deskstop may be as cheap as $360 at BestBuy, including monitor
> >> & printer.
>
> > Hi,
> > It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb
> > ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I
> > would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in
> > another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.
>
> No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.
>
> Do you presently have a working bootable XP partition? If so then buy
> a new HDD and clone the existing bootable partition to it.
>
> For cloning I like CopyWipe:
>
> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/copywipe.php#download
>
> You could image and then restore but the easiest way to do this is
> with an external HDD... which is more hardware to buy. Lots of
> alternatives for imaging software: Image For Windows/Image For DOS,
> Ghost, Acronis True Image (older version of ATI available free if you
> look around carefully).
>
> Which HDD to buy? Seagate seems to be the dominant player but you
> might not like them if one of their drives failed inconveniently on
> you in the past. All brands of HDD fail though -- BACKUP!! Seagate
> offers a 5 y guarantee. Sweet spot in terms of $/GB is the 320 GB
> size.
>
> External HDD setup?? Buy the HDD and enclosure you want and assemble
> yourself. If you plan to upgrade in the nearish future consider an
> enclosure supporting eSATA -- it's super fast. Otherwise get one
> supporting USB 2 and IEEE1394/Firewire. With a 320 GB internal HDD it
> would be silly to have an 80 GB external HDD, if you get my drift.
>
> When you have the new HDD of gigantic capacity you might as well keep
> everything on it. Simplest setup is small C:\ for OS and programs,
> larger D:\ for your data. (Easy and quick to image small C:\ to
> safeguard against disaster.)
>
> Your OS will run much faster from the new large HDD. After you've
> transferred OS and/or data from the 12 GB HDD retire it from your
> system and put it in the recycling collection. The speed and capacity
> it offers is tantamount to useless these days.
Good stuff, every line made sense! Thank you very much for your advice!
> > It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1 gb
> > ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but I
> > would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I had in
> > another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my maxtor 40gb.
>
> No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.
<edited>
Hello, Toast:
Yes, indeed...my present Pentium III system is even more ancient, than
the original poster's! I built it, in May of 2000 and have constantly
upgraded it, ever since.
Currently, it has a "Coppermine" 1050MHz CPU and a pair of identical
Samsung ATA hard drives (SpinPoint SP1614N, 160GB), plus, a SimpleTech
"SimpleDrive" (160GB USB external HDD).
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> wrote in
news:46C1102A.5144DD8@concentric.net:
> Toast wrote:
>>
>> >> nj wrote...
>
> <edited, for brevity>
>
>> > It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1
>> > gb ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but
>> > I would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I
>> > had in another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my
>> > maxtor 40gb.
>>
>> No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.
>
> <edited>
>
> Hello, Toast:
>
> Yes, indeed...my present Pentium III system is even more ancient,
> than the original poster's! I built it, in May of 2000 and have
> constantly upgraded it, ever since.
>
> Currently, it has a "Coppermine" 1050MHz CPU and a pair of
> identical Samsung ATA hard drives (SpinPoint SP1614N, 160GB),
> plus, a SimpleTech "SimpleDrive" (160GB USB external HDD).
>
>
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Everyone's computing needs differ. However, many have modest
requirements.
Making computers with increasingly more powerful hardware components
means software can be written incorporating a lot of mostly
unnecessry baggage, especially slick GUIs needing significant grunt
to drive its graphics.
If you're not editing video in a professional production house,
manipulating digital photographic files for a living or playing the
latest generation of 3D graphics chomping games then a brand new
super-dooper 'rig' just isn't necessary.
Most home users surf the 'net, send email, crank out a few office
documents / spreadsheets, and other undemanding computing tasks. In
many instances there's little sense in upgrading a PC that's well up
to the demands made of it. Keep using your old stuff, flog it to
death. No point in chucking stuff out on whim -- only serves to line
the pockets of companies up the supply chain all the way to
manufacturers and diabolical, monopolistic software vendors. They
encourage consumption for its own sake.
I helped out a friend recently with a 2.4 GHz P4, 256 MB of RAM
running XP from a 60 GB HDD at 80-90% capacity. Thanks to the OS and
the load it invited to be demanded of the system the machine was a
bit under-resourced. He was going to buy a new machine but I
suggested he should wait. With some effort I persuaded him to get
another 512 MB of RAM and a 320 GB HDD. The system now flies and it
should do him for at least a couple more years.
Many users don't realise how to get the best out of the equipement
they already possess. Better to run it into the ground before lobbing
stuff into landfill.
However, it's interesting how things play out with WinXP which has
proved to be a very stable and resilient OS. After running XP on a
machine for a few years, by the stage an ordinary user who has
installed and uninstalled a fair share of software in that time has a
system slowed to a crawl and in desperate need of a rebuild they
often consider buying a new computer. This is often because they
don't know how to reinstall the OS, and if they did perhaps can't be
bothered because it's such an effort to get everything up and running
again like it used to. By the time a system has reached this point
the original HDD is probably near to chucking it in and the ordinary
user wouldn't even realize the perils facing them. In such instances
upgrading can inadvertantly avoid encounters with data catastrophe,
and that is not a bad thing, especially if you happen to be the one
they ask for help in a computing crisis.
Or... it's quite sensible to upgrade HDDs in old computers!
Toast wrote:
>
> John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> wrote in
> news:46C1102A.5144DD8@concentric.net:
>
> > Toast wrote:
> >>
> >> >> nj wrote...
> >
> > <edited, for brevity>
> >
> >> > It is not (too) old, it runs on pentium 4 (2.8 ghz) and has 1
> >> > gb ram. I run simple programs on it nothing too demanding, but
> >> > I would like to get more storage space. You see, the 12gb, I
> >> > had in another desktop and used it as a secondary HDD to my
> >> > maxtor 40gb.
> >>
> >> No, it's not too old. Plenty of life in the old beast yet.
> >
> > <edited>
> >
> > Hello, Toast:
> >
> > Yes, indeed...my present Pentium III system is even more ancient,
> > than the original poster's! I built it, in May of 2000 and have
> > constantly upgraded it, ever since.
> >
> > Currently, it has a "Coppermine" 1050MHz CPU and a pair of
> > identical Samsung ATA hard drives (SpinPoint SP1614N, 160GB),
> > plus, a SimpleTech "SimpleDrive" (160GB USB external HDD).
> >
> >
> > Cordially,
> > John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
>
> Everyone's computing needs differ. However, many have modest
> requirements.
>
> Making computers with increasingly more powerful hardware components
> means software can be written incorporating a lot of mostly
> unnecessry baggage, especially slick GUIs needing significant grunt
> to drive its graphics.
>
> If you're not editing video in a professional production house,
> manipulating digital photographic files for a living or playing the
> latest generation of 3D graphics chomping games then a brand new
> super-dooper 'rig' just isn't necessary.
>
> Most home users surf the 'net, send email, crank out a few office
> documents / spreadsheets, and other undemanding computing tasks. In
> many instances there's little sense in upgrading a PC that's well up
> to the demands made of it. Keep using your old stuff, flog it to
> death. No point in chucking stuff out on whim -- only serves to line
> the pockets of companies up the supply chain all the way to
> manufacturers and diabolical, monopolistic software vendors. They
> encourage consumption for its own sake.
>
> I helped out a friend recently with a 2.4 GHz P4, 256 MB of RAM
> running XP from a 60 GB HDD at 80-90% capacity. Thanks to the OS and
> the load it invited to be demanded of the system the machine was a
> bit under-resourced. He was going to buy a new machine but I
> suggested he should wait. With some effort I persuaded him to get
> another 512 MB of RAM and a 320 GB HDD. The system now flies and it
> should do him for at least a couple more years.
>
> Many users don't realise how to get the best out of the equipement
> they already possess. Better to run it into the ground before lobbing
> stuff into landfill.
>
> However, it's interesting how things play out with WinXP which has
> proved to be a very stable and resilient OS. After running XP on a
> machine for a few years, by the stage an ordinary user who has
> installed and uninstalled a fair share of software in that time has a
> system slowed to a crawl and in desperate need of a rebuild they
> often consider buying a new computer. This is often because they
> don't know how to reinstall the OS, and if they did perhaps can't be
> bothered because it's such an effort to get everything up and running
> again like it used to. By the time a system has reached this point
> the original HDD is probably near to chucking it in and the ordinary
> user wouldn't even realize the perils facing them. In such instances
> upgrading can inadvertantly avoid encounters with data catastrophe,
> and that is not a bad thing, especially if you happen to be the one
> they ask for help in a computing crisis.
>
> Or... it's quite sensible to upgrade HDDs in old computers!
Hello, Toast:
Everything you've written, above, makes perfects sense; therefore,
although somewhat lengthy, I haven't delete any of it, in my response.
Still, I'll add that my PIII PC started out with 128MB of RAM, in
2000. The following year, I boosted it to 512MB and then, finally, I
maxed it out, at 1GB. That proved to provide the largest performance
improvement, overall.
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net> wrote in
news:46C3BB12.61951D20@concentric.net:
> Hello, Toast:
>
> Everything you've written, above, makes perfects sense; therefore,
> although somewhat lengthy, I haven't delete any of it, in my
> response.
>
> Still, I'll add that my PIII PC started out with 128MB of RAM, in
> 2000. The following year, I boosted it to 512MB and then, finally,
> I maxed it out, at 1GB. That proved to provide the largest
> performance improvement, overall.
>
> Thanks, for your cogent comments!
>
>
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
John,
Thank you for your succinct response. Your comments are noted and in
future I will strive for tersely expressed posts. However, prose
doesn’t usually form this way when I drift into meandering story
telling mode. ;-)
As an upgrade I like RAM too. Can’t wait to get another gig to add to
my 2.4 GHz XP box.
NEW HDD? 
Linear Mode
