Do I need external power supply to power USB HDD?

Actually, the hard disk drive is not USB but rather IDE. It is a
laptop 2.5" with IDE interface that I want to access in my dekstop PC.

I thought of buying an IDE/SATA/ATA adapter for 2.5 3.5 HDD CDROM like
this:

http://www.cables4pc.com/goods_detail.php?goodsIdx=623

But I don't know whether I need to connect power to the HDD - and if
so, from where?

Do I need an externa power supply to power the USB HDD? Do I have to
open the PC's case to draw that power?

Is the answer different when I use the same adapter to connect a SATA
2.5" HDD?

Thanks,
Alex

Previously xp_newbie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Actually, the hard disk drive is not USB but rather IDE. It is a
> laptop 2.5" with IDE interface that I want to access in my dekstop PC.

> I thought of buying an IDE/SATA/ATA adapter for 2.5 3.5 HDD CDROM like
> this:

> http://www.cables4pc.com/goods_detail.php?goodsIdx=623

> But I don't know whether I need to connect power to the HDD - and if
> so, from where?

> Do I need an externa power supply to power the USB HDD? Do I have to
> open the PC's case to draw that power?

> Is the answer different when I use the same adapter to connect a SATA
> 2.5" HDD?

If you look at the page, you can see:

"Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Arno

On Sep 29, 10:42 am, Arno Wagner <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> If you look at the page, you can see:
>
> "Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Arno, thank you very much for your answer. Unfortunately I am not that
familiar with these standard so certain things are not that obvious to
me. Does "SATA Adapter" mean power supply?

My main question is actually regarding an IDE HDD, not SATA. I know
that those drives have separate connector for power supply. Where do I
draw the power from to plug into that connector? Does it come from the
USB port, or must I use an external source (such as from inside the PC
case or the power supply that comes with the adapter)?

Thanks,
Alex

<xp_newbie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1191082061.488575.150740@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> On Sep 29, 10:42 am, Arno Wagner <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> If you look at the page, you can see:
>>
>> "Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Arno, thank you very much for your answer. Unfortunately I am not that
> familiar with these standard so certain things are not that obvious to
> me. Does "SATA Adapter" mean power supply?
>
> My main question is actually regarding an IDE HDD, not SATA. I know
> that those drives have separate connector for power supply. Where do I
> draw the power from to plug into that connector? Does it come from the
> USB port, or must I use an external source (such as from inside the PC
> case or the power supply that comes with the adapter)?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
You really should read that web page again. It quite clearly states:
"External power adapter included, for power up the 5V/12V IDE/ATAPI devices
Usage"

Happy now?

Previously xp_newbie@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 29, 10:42 am, Arno Wagner <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> If you look at the page, you can see:
>>
>> "Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Arno, thank you very much for your answer. Unfortunately I am not that
> familiar with these standard so certain things are not that obvious to
> me. Does "SATA Adapter" mean power supply?

No. You get a power supply in addition and you need it. The
SATA adapter or IDE adapter does not include power connections.

> My main question is actually regarding an IDE HDD, not SATA. I know
> that those drives have separate connector for power supply.

SATA also has them.

> Where do I
> draw the power from to plug into that connector? Does it come from the
> USB port, or must I use an external source (such as from inside the PC
> case or the power supply that comes with the adapter)?

You have to use the power supply that comes with the kit.
Alternatively you could run a power connection from the PC,
but that is not vwey comfortable. Powering HDDs vrom USB is
possible for low-power 2.5" HDDs, but it typically overloads
the USB poer to some degree.

Arno

My external 2.5" enclosure does not require a separate power supply and
works fine. So if the one you're looking at does require a power
supply, you might consider looking further.

xp_newbie@yahoo.com wrote:
> Actually, the hard disk drive is not USB but rather IDE. It is a
> laptop 2.5" with IDE interface that I want to access in my dekstop PC.
>
> I thought of buying an IDE/SATA/ATA adapter for 2.5 3.5 HDD CDROM like
> this:
>
> http://www.cables4pc.com/goods_detail.php?goodsIdx=623
>
> But I don't know whether I need to connect power to the HDD - and if
> so, from where?
>
> Do I need an externa power supply to power the USB HDD? Do I have to
> open the PC's case to draw that power?
>
> Is the answer different when I use the same adapter to connect a SATA
> 2.5" HDD?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
Ok, I'll weigh in on this.

My experience with usb 2.5" hard drive cases is this:
They generally work well usb powered on desktop computers.
They almost always work well with powered usb hubs, unless
the hub messes up the usb signaling part...not a power issue.
They often work well USB powered on newer laptops.
The often DON'T work well on older laptops, not enough power.
Depends on the size and age of the drive...power consumption.
Some 2.5" cases have an input for 5V external power. That
solves the power problem for the drive, but if you turn off the
laptop, or if it turns itself off by hibernate,
it tries to power the laptop too and current limits.
The drive doesn't like this. Who knows what evil is happening
inside the laptop under these conditions. I've never busted
one, but I'm careful not to try.


My experience with non-case usb/ide adapters is this:
They rarely have a way to power the 2.5" drive other than usb.
Even those with power connections to the adapter use that power
for SATA, but not for the 2.5" drive.
Power for 3.5" drives goes directly to the drive bypassing the adapter.

There exist adapters that claim to power a 2.5" drive externally.
I bought on on ebay. They sent me the other kind. I emailed
another vendor. They admitted that they don't really ship what they
advertise either. I've never found a place I could buy such an adapter.

I've considered adding a jumper to the Bytecc BT-300 to switch
from USB to external power. Never could come up with an automatic
switching design that would fit inside the adapter.
But for now...
I have a 4-port USB2 Cardbus card that can take external power.
I stuff 5V into the card. That runs the drive and I get USB2
speed in my older laptops...well...faster than usb1 anyway...
That pretty much solves all my laptop problems.

mike

--
Return address is VALID!

Thank you mike, Arno and everyone else who answered. That definitely
answers my questions.

Alex

On Sep 29, 2:38 pm, mike <spam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> xp_new...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Actually, the hard disk drive is not USB but rather IDE. It is a
> > laptop 2.5" with IDE interface that I want to access in my dekstop PC.
>
> > I thought of buying an IDE/SATA/ATA adapter for 2.5 3.5 HDD CDROM like
> > this:
>
> >http://www.cables4pc.com/goods_detail.php?goodsIdx=623
>
> > But I don't know whether I need to connect power to the HDD - and if
> > so, from where?
>
> > Do I need an externa power supply to power the USB HDD? Do I have to
> > open the PC's case to draw that power?
>
> > Is the answer different when I use the same adapter to connect a SATA
> > 2.5" HDD?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
>
> Ok, I'll weigh in on this.
>
> My experience with usb 2.5" hard drive cases is this:
> They generally work well usb powered on desktop computers.
> They almost always work well with powered usb hubs, unless
> the hub messes up the usb signaling part...not a power issue.
> They often work well USB powered on newer laptops.
> The often DON'T work well on older laptops, not enough power.
> Depends on the size and age of the drive...power consumption.
> Some 2.5" cases have an input for 5V external power. That
> solves the power problem for the drive, but if you turn off the
> laptop, or if it turns itself off by hibernate,
> it tries to power the laptop too and current limits.
> The drive doesn't like this. Who knows what evil is happening
> inside the laptop under these conditions. I've never busted
> one, but I'm careful not to try.
>
> My experience with non-case usb/ide adapters is this:
> They rarely have a way to power the 2.5" drive other than usb.
> Even those with power connections to the adapter use that power
> for SATA, but not for the 2.5" drive.
> Power for 3.5" drives goes directly to the drive bypassing the adapter.
>
> There exist adapters that claim to power a 2.5" drive externally.
> I bought on on ebay. They sent me the other kind. I emailed
> another vendor. They admitted that they don't really ship what they
> advertise either. I've never found a place I could buy such an adapter.
>
> I've considered adding a jumper to the Bytecc BT-300 to switch
> from USB to external power. Never could come up with an automatic
> switching design that would fit inside the adapter.
> But for now...
> I have a 4-port USB2 Cardbus card that can take external power.
> I stuff 5V into the card. That runs the drive and I get USB2
> speed in my older laptops...well...faster than usb1 anyway...
> That pretty much solves all my laptop problems.
>
> mike
>
> --
> Return address is VALID!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Arno Wagner wrote in news:5m7a2oFc1179U2@mid.individual.net
> Previously xp_newbie@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Actually, the hard disk drive is not USB but rather IDE. It is a
> > laptop 2.5" with IDE interface that I want to access in my dekstop PC.
>
> > I thought of buying an IDE/SATA/ATA adapter for 2.5 3.5 HDD CDROM like
> > this:
>
> > http://www.cables4pc.com/goods_detail.php?goodsIdx=623
>
> > But I don't know whether I need to connect power to the HDD - and if
> > so, from where?
>
> > Do I need an externa power supply to power the USB HDD? Do I have to
> > open the PC's case to draw that power?
>
> > Is the answer different when I use the same adapter to connect a SATA
> > 2.5" HDD?
> If you look at the page, you can see:
>
> "Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^

So babblebot, how does that help him with 2.5" harddrives?
You know, the ones with power integrated in the 44-pin connector?

Babblebot clueless as always.

>
> Arno

Gotde T Shirt wrote in news:WHvLi.5003$w2.1616@newsfe4-win.ntli.net
> <xp_newbie@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1191082061.488575.150740@n39g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> > On Sep 29, 10:42 am, Arno Wagner <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you look at the page, you can see:
> > >
> > > "Packing include USB to IDE / SATA Adapter, SATA Cable, Power supply,"
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Arno, thank you very much for your answer. Unfortunately I am not that
> > familiar with these standard so certain things are not that obvious to
> > me. Does "SATA Adapter" mean power supply?
> >
> > My main question is actually regarding an IDE HDD, not SATA. I know
> > that those drives have separate connector for power supply. Where do I
> > draw the power from to plug into that connector? Does it come from the
> > USB port, or must I use an external source (such as from inside the PC
> > case or the power supply that comes with the adapter)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex

> You really should read that web page again.

Like you did?

> It quite clearly states:
> "External power adapter included, for power up the 5V/12V IDE/ATAPI devices
> Usage"

Pity he has an 2.5" harddrive with no seperate access to the power
connections on the drive, which are integrated in the 44pin connector.

>
> Happy now?

Clueless now?