I have been wondering if there is an storge device that has the read
access speed and the convenience of an HD with the safety of DVDR
backups. I have been looking into SD Hard Drives, however, those seem
to have their own issues.
In short, what is the safest way to store my files without having to
backup to permanent media?
On May 13, 8:25*pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jim Light <dejavu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I have been wondering if there is an storge device that has the read access
> > speed and the convenience of an HD with the safety of DVDR backups.
>
> HDs are as safe or safer than DVDRs.
>
> > I have been looking into SD Hard Drives, however,
> > those seem to have their own issues.
> > In short, what is the safest way to store my files
> > without having to backup to permanent media?
>
> Backup to an HD.
I never think DVDs are very safe
Another one to consider is an Iomega Rev drive, and several
cartridges. This solution fits somewhere between DVDs and an external
hard drive. If the volme of data to backup is less than the size of
the disk (I think currently 60GB) then you can have multiple copies,
easily stored away from your PC.
mscotgrove@aol.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jim Light <dejavu...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> I have been wondering if there is an storge device that has the read access
>>> speed and the convenience of an HD with the safety of DVDR backups.
>> HDs are as safe or safer than DVDRs.
>>> I have been looking into SD Hard Drives, however,
>>> those seem to have their own issues.
>>> In short, what is the safest way to store my files
>>> without having to backup to permanent media?
>> Backup to an HD.
> I never think DVDs are very safe
They're safe enough with adequate dupes.
> Another one to consider is an Iomega Rev drive, and several cartridges.
Nope, its never going to fly.
> This solution fits somewhere between DVDs and an external hard drive. If the
> volme of data to backup is less than the size of the disk (I think currently 60GB)
> then you can have multiple copies, easily stored away from your PC.
> Hi,
>
> I have been wondering if there is an storge device that has the read
> access speed and the convenience of an HD with the safety of DVDR
> backups. I have been looking into SD Hard Drives, however, those seem
> to have their own issues.
>
> In short, what is the safest way to store my files without having to
> backup to permanent media?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jim
External USB 2.0 HDD. Backup your data and then turn it off. About as safe
as you can get. Or you can pay for an upload service were you backup your
data to their HDDs. I've had cdr goe bad just sitting there doing nothing.
I trust my extenal HDDs more than a cdr.
Previously Jim Light <dejavue82@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been wondering if there is an storge device that has the read
> access speed and the convenience of an HD with the safety of DVDR
> backups.
Hmm. It would be difficult to degrade a HDD down to the reliability
level of DVDR. Maybe a HDD in an insolated case so it runs very hot?
> I have been looking into SD Hard Drives, however, those seem
> to have their own issues.
Indeed. Very slow on writes or very expensive.
> In short, what is the safest way to store my files without having to
> backup to permanent media?
HDDs for large storage volume, DVD-RAM for small ones. Be warned
though, that DVD-RAM can get very slow when writing. I am currently
evaluating some different media brands and the combination of LG burner
and Verbatim disks definitely has speed isssues. Reliability is fine
though, at least as far as I can tell. I will be getting a Samsung
burner and three more media brands in the enxt few days.
Since my MOD is in the process of dying (has trouble writing, still
reads everything perfectly) and replacement drives are hard to get,
I currently have to find some very high reliability long-term
archiving solution. Preferred would be redundant backup to DVD-RAM
(multiple media), fallback a large folder I copy over from HDD to
hadd and keep on several ones (different servers) at any time.
Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:68usojF2v16mgU1
@mid.individual.net:
> HDDs for large storage volume, DVD-RAM for small ones. Be warned
> though, that DVD-RAM can get very slow when writing. I am currently
> evaluating some different media brands and the combination of LG burner
> and Verbatim disks definitely has speed isssues. Reliability is fine
> though, at least as far as I can tell. I will be getting a Samsung
> burner and three more media brands in the enxt few days.
>
> Since my MOD is in the process of dying (has trouble writing, still
> reads everything perfectly) and replacement drives are hard to get,
> I currently have to find some very high reliability long-term
> archiving solution. Preferred would be redundant backup to DVD-RAM
> (multiple media), fallback a large folder I copy over from HDD to
> hadd and keep on several ones (different servers) at any time.
>
> Arno
>
My Samsung DVD-RW does DVD-RAM too but have never used that capability.The
reason is because the last time I checked the disks are very expensive. How
much do you pay for yours?
Previously Gumby <gumby@is.cool> wrote:
> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:68usojF2v16mgU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>> HDDs for large storage volume, DVD-RAM for small ones. Be warned
>> though, that DVD-RAM can get very slow when writing. I am currently
>> evaluating some different media brands and the combination of LG burner
>> and Verbatim disks definitely has speed isssues. Reliability is fine
>> though, at least as far as I can tell. I will be getting a Samsung
>> burner and three more media brands in the enxt few days.
>>
>> Since my MOD is in the process of dying (has trouble writing, still
>> reads everything perfectly) and replacement drives are hard to get,
>> I currently have to find some very high reliability long-term
>> archiving solution. Preferred would be redundant backup to DVD-RAM
>> (multiple media), fallback a large folder I copy over from HDD to
>> hadd and keep on several ones (different servers) at any time.
>>
>> Arno
>>
> My Samsung DVD-RW does DVD-RAM too but have never used that capability.The
> reason is because the last time I checked the disks are very expensive. How
> much do you pay for yours?
I am currently looking at Verbatim (not good quality), Maxell (very
good and 5x in addition), Imation (reasonable, but type 2, so you have
to remove them from the cartridge) and Fuji (reasonable). They all
cost 3-4 Euro/USD per disk more or less. I will post some more detailed
quality scores here soon.
Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:691jh7F2uu8qtU1@mid.individual.net:
> I am currently looking at Verbatim (not good quality), Maxell (very
> good and 5x in addition), Imation (reasonable, but type 2, so you have
> to remove them from the cartridge) and Fuji (reasonable). They all
> cost 3-4 Euro/USD per disk more or less. I will post some more
> detailed quality scores here soon.
>
> Arni
>
OK, thanks. Here are my choices.
$4.40 is an ok price, last time I checked they were about $20.00 each.
Just to make sure I understand how DVD-RAM works. You can read write to
them just like a HDD and don't need to install any packet writing
software like you do with an RW disk? They are far more robust than RW
disks too? I found RW disks to be very flaky and unreliable.
Previously Gumby <gumby@is.cool> wrote:
> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:691jh7F2uu8qtU1@mid.individual.net:
>> I am currently looking at Verbatim (not good quality), Maxell (very
>> good and 5x in addition), Imation (reasonable, but type 2, so you have
>> to remove them from the cartridge) and Fuji (reasonable). They all
>> cost 3-4 Euro/USD per disk more or less. I will post some more
>> detailed quality scores here soon.
>>
>> Arno
>>
> OK, thanks. Here are my choices.
From the Maxell website I conclude that the disks you found are
the 3x variant. I cannot say anything about them. Its seems however
that they use the same "HGX stamper technology", which might indicate
a similar high quality level.
I have no idea whether that is special packaging for the UE market or a
different product. My best guess is that all Maxell 5x DVD-RAM media
are the same, but same are branded as "DATA" media (also on the disk
itself) and others as data/video media. The ones I tested are called
"4.7GB DATA" by Maxell and support 5x writing. For the EU they seem to
have an ITEM code of 275513, whatever that means.
I tried to look whether ncix has them, but after the first request
the site was blocked, apparently for the whole of Europe, continent
of the evil hackers... (may also just have gone down).
> $4.40 is an ok price, last time I checked they were about $20.00 each.
> Just to make sure I understand how DVD-RAM works. You can read write to
> them just like a HDD and don't need to install any packet writing
> software like you do with an RW disk? They are far more robust than RW
> disks too? I found RW disks to be very flaky and unreliable.
You can read/write just like HDD, but XP does not have the
(generic) driver needed for the UDF filesystem that is higly
recommended for DVD-RAM. Under Linux you need no driver.
I have no idea about Vista. I curently use InCD from Nero 7.0
Essentials under XP. You can format DVD-RAM as FAT or NTFS,
but may get problems. Also the Maxell disks come unformatted,
so you need formatter softeware for UDF also contained in Nero 7.0
essentials). I have no experience with other supporting software
at the moment and I will stay away from Vista as long as possible.
Alternative to CD/DVD for backup? 
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