I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I am
totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
kampyjoe <u37736@uwe> wrote:
> I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I am
> totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
kampyjoe wrote in news:78c621c040eea@uwe
> I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive.
> I am totally lost and confused on SCSI`s,
But you know everything there is to know about IDE and SATA.
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 02:49 +0000, kampyjoe wrote:
> I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I am
> totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
>
It's a question of money.
A SCSI drive will out-perform your typical IDE/SATA drive, even if it's
only because a SCSI drive rotates at 15000rpm (although 10000rpm can be
had for less money). A SCSI drive can have multiple commands queued to
it unlike IDE. You also need a SCSI controller; since these are
expensive new I suggest you try ebay - much cheaper. Buy new drives,
cables and terminators though.
Jeremy wrote in news:1190846429.8422.8.camel@HECTOR
> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 02:49 +0000, kampyjoe wrote:
> > I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
> > to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
> > and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I
> > am totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
> >
> It's a question of money.
And a lot of it if you want the latest.
> A SCSI drive will out-perform your typical IDE/SATA drive, even if it's
> only because a SCSI drive rotates at 15000rpm (although 10000rpm can be
> had for less money).
Newest SATA drives compete with, if not outperform, most current SCSI
now (on STR).
> A SCSI drive can have multiple commands queued to it unlike IDE.
'Unlike' *most* IDE. But *not* unlike SATA.
> You also need a SCSI controller;
> since these are expensive new
Like drives are not.
> I suggest you try ebay - much cheaper.
> Buy new drives,
Depends on what you need them for, STR or accesstime.
Access time hasn't improved all that much so an older one may suffice.
And define new.
Most things on ebay are new (or newish, never used) unless it says pulled.
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 16:26 +0200, Folkert Rienstra wrote:
> Jeremy wrote in news:1190846429.8422.8.camel@HECTOR
> > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 02:49 +0000, kampyjoe wrote:
> > > I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m trying
> > > to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has SATA
> > > and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I
> > > am totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
> > >
I assume STR is your abbreviation for streaming/sequential transfer?
Almost anything that has a very high bit packing density will give good
performance in this mode. So a cheapo SATA is recommended for things
like disk backup, video recording/editing.
Random access requires something a bit more sophisticated though.
Jeremy wrote in news:1190924451.7519.8.camel@HECTOR
> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 16:26 +0200, Folkert Rienstra wrote:
Wot?
> > Jeremy wrote in news:1190846429.8422.8.camel@HECTOR
> > > On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 02:49 +0000, kampyjoe wrote:
> > > > I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m
> > > > trying to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The
> > > > MB has SATA and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a
> > > > SCSI harddrive. I am totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get
> > > > some help PLEASE!
> > > >
> I assume STR is your abbreviation for streaming/sequential transfer?
>
> Almost anything that has a very high bit packing density will give good
> performance in this mode. So a cheapo SATA is recommended for things
> like disk backup, video recording/editing.
>
> Random access requires something a bit more sophisticated though.
"kampyjoe" <u37736@uwe> wrote in message news:78c621c040eea@uwe...
>I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m
>trying
> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has
> SATA
> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I
> am
> totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
>
My question is why do you want to add $2000 worth of hardware to a el cheapo
MB. I had the same situation in reverse I picked up a bunch of scsi cheap so
it was worth it. It is honestly such a pain in the butt for home users like
myself that it almost isn't worth any performance gain you get unless you
have the time to research it and get the scsi hardware cheap. I just added
500 gb of mirrored sata for around $200.. yes its a waste of 500 gb yes its
a little slow on writes.. but try to add 500 gb of scsi storage for $200.. I
spent all most that much on 68pin to 80pin adapters and cables for the scsi
stuff i got. There is a reason SCSI never landed on the mainstream users
machine. It's expensive, it's complicated and sometimes can make you just
want to pick your computer up and throw it out the window. Not to mention
the fact that every single piece of hardware you add to your comptuer may or
may not work. Oh yeah forget all that crap about how Raid 5 is gonna save
your data.. you still need to backup.. just wait till your raid 5 loses 2
hard drives and you scream bloody murder. Better to buy cheaper equipment
and realize that Norton Ghost 12 is your best friend not RAID 5... There is
a reason you go to the computer center at your job and there are 12 people
in there sitting around... LOL... they are waiting for something to go
wrong.. I had a power glitch that failed 2 drives in one of my RAID 5
arrays.. there was nothing wrong with the drives.. the problem was I don't
have $500 for an online UPS..... Yes its a cool geek factor and people ohh
on aww over your 5 drive cage's but heck you can get that in SATA flavor a
lot cheaper...
Todd Hayslett <trhisdone@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "kampyjoe" <u37736@uwe> wrote in message news:78c621c040eea@uwe...
>>I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m
>>trying
>> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has
>> SATA
>> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive. I
>> am
>> totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
>>
>
> My question is why do you want to add $2000 worth of hardware to a el cheapo
> MB. I had the same situation in reverse I picked up a bunch of scsi cheap so
> it was worth it. It is honestly such a pain in the butt for home users like
> myself that it almost isn't worth any performance gain you get unless you
> have the time to research it and get the scsi hardware cheap. I just added
> 500 gb of mirrored sata for around $200.. yes its a waste of 500 gb yes its
> a little slow on writes.. but try to add 500 gb of scsi storage for $200.. I
> spent all most that much on 68pin to 80pin adapters and cables for the scsi
> stuff i got. There is a reason SCSI never landed on the mainstream users
> machine. It's expensive, it's complicated and sometimes can make you just
> want to pick your computer up and throw it out the window. Not to mention
> the fact that every single piece of hardware you add to your comptuer may or
> may not work. Oh yeah forget all that crap about how Raid 5 is gonna save
> your data.. you still need to backup.. just wait till your raid 5 loses 2
> hard drives and you scream bloody murder. Better to buy cheaper equipment
> and realize that Norton Ghost 12 is your best friend not RAID 5... There is
> a reason you go to the computer center at your job and there are 12 people
> in there sitting around... LOL... they are waiting for something to go
> wrong.. I had a power glitch that failed 2 drives in one of my RAID 5
> arrays.. there was nothing wrong with the drives.. the problem was I don't
> have $500 for an online UPS..... Yes its a cool geek factor and people ohh
> on aww over your 5 drive cage's but heck you can get that in SATA flavor a
> lot cheaper...
>
> Todd
In case you ever need to recover a failed RAID group, even hardware based,
I highly suggest the tools from runtime software. I was able to recover a
ton of important data using their stuff. This includes unix over windows
installations, and RAID controllers that freaked out and tagged good
drives bad and then started to try to make a new raid group (not recover)
on the old one. The pricing is reasonable and the support is good.
I'm not associated with the, but I'll do anything to stick it to those
data recovery scam places. I was quoted around $5000 to get data off that
raid card that freaked out. In the end, it cost like $80 and two days of
time to get 100% of my data back.
"Cydrome Leader" <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote in message
news:fdjfdp$71h$2@reader1.panix.com...
> Todd Hayslett <trhisdone@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> "kampyjoe" <u37736@uwe> wrote in message news:78c621c040eea@uwe...
>>>I got a Gigabyte Motherboard GA-8IP775-G at an auction at my job. I`m
>>>trying
>>> to make fast CPU and i`m wanting something faster than IDE. The MB has
>>> SATA
>>> and IDE connectors but i`m really debating on going to a SCSI harddrive.
>>> I
>>> am
>>> totally lost and confused on SCSI`s, can I get some help PLEASE!
>>>
>>
>> My question is why do you want to add $2000 worth of hardware to a el
>> cheapo
>> MB. I had the same situation in reverse I picked up a bunch of scsi cheap
>> so
>> it was worth it. It is honestly such a pain in the butt for home users
>> like
>> myself that it almost isn't worth any performance gain you get unless you
>> have the time to research it and get the scsi hardware cheap. I just
>> added
>> 500 gb of mirrored sata for around $200.. yes its a waste of 500 gb yes
>> its
>> a little slow on writes.. but try to add 500 gb of scsi storage for
>> $200.. I
>> spent all most that much on 68pin to 80pin adapters and cables for the
>> scsi
>> stuff i got. There is a reason SCSI never landed on the mainstream users
>> machine. It's expensive, it's complicated and sometimes can make you just
>> want to pick your computer up and throw it out the window. Not to mention
>> the fact that every single piece of hardware you add to your comptuer may
>> or
>> may not work. Oh yeah forget all that crap about how Raid 5 is gonna save
>> your data.. you still need to backup.. just wait till your raid 5 loses 2
>> hard drives and you scream bloody murder. Better to buy cheaper equipment
>> and realize that Norton Ghost 12 is your best friend not RAID 5... There
>> is
>> a reason you go to the computer center at your job and there are 12
>> people
>> in there sitting around... LOL... they are waiting for something to go
>> wrong.. I had a power glitch that failed 2 drives in one of my RAID 5
>> arrays.. there was nothing wrong with the drives.. the problem was I
>> don't
>> have $500 for an online UPS..... Yes its a cool geek factor and people
>> ohh
>> on aww over your 5 drive cage's but heck you can get that in SATA flavor
>> a
>> lot cheaper...
>>
>> Todd
>
> In case you ever need to recover a failed RAID group, even hardware based,
> I highly suggest the tools from runtime software. I was able to recover a
> ton of important data using their stuff. This includes unix over windows
> installations, and RAID controllers that freaked out and tagged good
> drives bad and then started to try to make a new raid group (not recover)
> on the old one. The pricing is reasonable and the support is good.
>
> I'm not associated with the, but I'll do anything to stick it to those
> data recovery scam places. I was quoted around $5000 to get data off that
> raid card that freaked out. In the end, it cost like $80 and two days of
> time to get 100% of my data back.
I use all my raid 5 arrays for online movie storage so I can stream movies
to any room in my house. When my my Raid 5 array failed I had to reload
around 100 dvd's back onto it. This was exactly what happened. The 2 drives
failed then the card tried to add back in the failed drives and it corrupted
all the data. While a pain in the butt it wasn't critical. I long ago
learned to back up critical data to several places and use Norton Ghost.
Norton Ghost 12 is the best ghosting/backup program for home users. It's
easy but also powerful when you get into it. There is nothing better than
reloading your OS to previous state in 5 min. I only wish the had made Ghost
12 work on win2k.. sigh....
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