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#1 01-14-2008, 04:49 AM

I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
purchase. Price (for refurbished) is about the same. I cannot find
any real difference between the two looking at specs. So maybe
someone knows how they differ.. I currently use an Epson 2450 that I
like, but think one of these would be an upgrade. Thanks.

BTW: What is the deal with Digital ICE technology. A good thing? or
not.

#2 01-14-2008, 05:16 AM

Digital ICE is wonderful, I would not buy a scanner without it. But it
does not work on all film types. It's best, by far, for color
negatives, results with color slides vary greatly depending on the film
type and the exact implementation. But when it works (and it works very
well indeed on almost all color negatives), it's pure magic.

funkyarmadillo@gmail.com wrote:
> I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
> purchase. Price (for refurbished) is about the same. I cannot find
> any real difference between the two looking at specs. So maybe
> someone knows how they differ.. I currently use an Epson 2450 that I
> like, but think one of these would be an upgrade. Thanks.
>
> BTW: What is the deal with Digital ICE technology. A good thing? or
> not.

#3 01-14-2008, 07:53 AM

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:02 -0800 (PST), funkyarmadillo@gmail.com
wrote:
>I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
>purchase.

And one more question: how do they compare to the V10 with respect to
scanning books?

#4 01-21-2008, 02:58 PM

In article <465mo3di8q5d88a9abm656rpaq0v2rb6hk@4ax.com>, jasiek@snafu.de
says...
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:02 -0800 (PST), funkyarmadillo@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >I want some recommendations on which one of the two would be a good
> >purchase.
>
> And one more question: how do they compare to the V10 with respect to
> scanning books?
>

It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
determine what the difference between those models is. There doesn't
seem to be any. Do you know, by any chance?

rgds,
netcat

#5 01-21-2008, 03:16 PM

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:58:52 +0200, netcat
<netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
>I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
>determine what the difference between those models is. There doesn't
>seem to be any. Do you know, by any chance?

I have come to essentially the same conclusion

Giving Epson another call, they said that V10/V100 is not really for
scanning books because after 1 hour they need a pause to cool down.
However, it was a hopeless attempt to let them say anything about a
comparison to V350 and 4490, except that the latter "are better and
yet better". Testing in a local shop (Berlin) is no alternative,
either, because nowhere would they dare to connect any scanner to a PC
for a test scan (being afraid of losing money). And PC magazines? They
enjoy testing high end products more than ordinary consumer market
scanners. Sigh.

This leaves us with "Buy and throw away" or "Spend $1,000 for a decent
model right away"...

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If it helps you, here is my comparison table for Epson flatbeds
(sorry, in German):

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EUR

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72
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134
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249
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496
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667
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SW
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Adobe® Photoshope®
Elements, ABBYY®

FineReader® Sprint Plus OCR, Epson
Creativity Suite, NewSoft™
Presto!® BizCard, Epson Scan with Epson
Easy Photo Fix™
Technology

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Epson Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix
Technology, Epson Creativity Suite,
ArcSoft® PhotoImpression,
ABBYY® FineReader® Sprint Plus OCR


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Epson Scan V. 3.1 Epson
Creativity
Suite ArcSoft PhotoImpression®
6 ABBYY FineReader® 6
Sprint Plus (PC)

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Epson Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix
Technology, Epson Creativity Suite,
ArcSoft® PhotoImpression,™
ABBYY® FineReader® Sprint Plus OCR

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Epson Scan, Epson
Creativity Suite inkl. Epson
CopyUtility, Epson Event Manager, Epson Attach
to Email, Epson
File Manager, Epson ScanAssistant, Adobe®
Photoshop®

Elements 4 (PC), ABBYY® FineReader® 6
Sprint Plus (PC),
ABBYY® FineReader® 5

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LaserSoft Imaging™
SilverFast® SE 6,
Adobe® Photoshope® Elements,
ABBYY® FineReader®

Sprint Plus OCR, Epson Copy Utility, Epson
Scan with Epson Easy
Photo Fix™ Technology (Epson Scan and
LaserSoft Imaging
SilverFast SE 6 will run on Windows XP x64
Edition)

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#6 01-22-2008, 09:44 AM

In article <qpd9p35p69t20f6fn9gupn2jcubrjufrrn@4ax.com>, jasiek@snafu.de
says...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:58:52 +0200, netcat
> <netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
> >It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
> >I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
> >determine what the difference between those models is.

Sorry, actually I meant - between V100 & and V200.
I _was_ going to buy a V100 but suddenly it has become unavailable.
The price difference between V10 and V200 is almost 2x where I am.

Myself, I'd actually be satisfied with a closer look at them physically,
before buying. Sadly there are no local stores that actually have Epsons
on display, I'd have to order online.

> Giving Epson another call, they said that V10/V100 is not really for
> scanning books because after 1 hour they need a pause to cool down.

Interesting. At the same time they pimp the hinged lid as extremely
convenient for scanning thick objects such as books. It is my
understanding many of their higher end scanners do not have such lids.

> However, it was a hopeless attempt to let them say anything about a
> comparison to V350 and 4490, except that the latter "are better and
> yet better".

4490 _will_ be faster both in scan and rewind time than many cheaper
scanners. When scanning hundreds of pages/documents this may help save
you lots of time. If that's a factor. And I'm sure it's more durable.

> Testing in a local shop (Berlin) is no alternative,
> either, because nowhere would they dare to connect any scanner to a PC
> for a test scan (being afraid of losing money).

If your main concern is overheating after hours of use, one test scan
will not help you anyway.

Do you actually _need_ to scan books without pause for hours? Work
pauses are supposed to be good for humans, too, you know

rgds,
netcat

#7 01-22-2008, 10:32 AM

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:44:26 +0200, netcat
<netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>Myself, I'd actually be satisfied with a closer look at them physically,
>before buying. Sadly there are no local stores that actually have Epsons
>on display, I'd have to order online.

In that case, ensure that you get an option to cancel the purchase for
"any reason" within, say, 14 days. (Some retailers offer such, at
least in Germany.) E.g., if the flatbed glas would be damaged, you do
not need to keep the scanner then.

>Do you actually _need_ to scan books without pause for hours?

No

#8 01-22-2008, 02:48 PM

There are real low cost book scanners available.

Here is one in the $300 range.
http://www.plustek.com/product/book3600.asp

Here is a commerical one, big $$$.
http://www.mid-america.com/scanning/..._scanners.html

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http://www.carlmcmillan.com
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"netcat" <netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote in message
news:MPG.21ffe77917e1bb4b989807@news.octanews.com. ..
> In article <qpd9p35p69t20f6fn9gupn2jcubrjufrrn@4ax.com>, jasiek@snafu.de
> says...
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:58:52 +0200, netcat
>> <netcat@devnull.eridani.eol.ee> wrote:
>> >It seems like nobody wants to answer questions about V10 or V100.
>> >I myself have stared at the Epson site for hours on end trying to
>> >determine what the difference between those models is.
>
> Sorry, actually I meant - between V100 & and V200.
> I _was_ going to buy a V100 but suddenly it has become unavailable.
> The price difference between V10 and V200 is almost 2x where I am.
>
> Myself, I'd actually be satisfied with a closer look at them physically,
> before buying. Sadly there are no local stores that actually have Epsons
> on display, I'd have to order online.
>
>> Giving Epson another call, they said that V10/V100 is not really for
>> scanning books because after 1 hour they need a pause to cool down.
>
> Interesting. At the same time they pimp the hinged lid as extremely
> convenient for scanning thick objects such as books. It is my
> understanding many of their higher end scanners do not have such lids.
>
>> However, it was a hopeless attempt to let them say anything about a
>> comparison to V350 and 4490, except that the latter "are better and
>> yet better".
>
> 4490 _will_ be faster both in scan and rewind time than many cheaper
> scanners. When scanning hundreds of pages/documents this may help save
> you lots of time. If that's a factor. And I'm sure it's more durable.
>
>> Testing in a local shop (Berlin) is no alternative,
>> either, because nowhere would they dare to connect any scanner to a PC
>> for a test scan (being afraid of losing money).
>
> If your main concern is overheating after hours of use, one test scan
> will not help you anyway.
>
> Do you actually _need_ to scan books without pause for hours? Work
> pauses are supposed to be good for humans, too, you know

>
> rgds,
> netcat

#9 01-22-2008, 03:44 PM

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:48:57 GMT, "CSM1" <nomoremail@nomail.com>
wrote:
>Here is one in the $300 range.
>http://www.plustek.com/product/book3600.asp

Their customer support has told me that they would not be suitable for
the purpose of scanning art-like images from books. I conclude that
they may rather be designed for scanning text books and OCR.

For high quality image books, it appears that one needs an A3 scanner
from Microtek (some EUR 1,000 if new) or Epson (too expensive for the
consumer market).

>Here is a commerical one, big $$$.
>http://www.mid-america.com/scanning/..._scanners.html

Wow!

#10 01-23-2008, 10:15 AM

In article <ib3cp3hebotlrl0q9squkdjscp9h34fdis@4ax.com>, jasiek@snafu.de
says...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:48:57 GMT, "CSM1" <nomoremail@nomail.com>
> wrote:
> >Here is one in the $300 range.
> >http://www.plustek.com/product/book3600.asp
>
> Their customer support has told me that they would not be suitable for
> the purpose of scanning art-like images from books. I conclude that
> they may rather be designed for scanning text books and OCR.
>
> For high quality image books, it appears that one needs an A3 scanner
> from Microtek (some EUR 1,000 if new) or Epson (too expensive for the
> consumer market).

Most people I know scanning art larger than their scan surface simply
opt for scanning in several parts and using image stitching, after.

rgds,
netcat

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