> I am considering buying the Epson Stylus 3800 inkjet printer.
> This printer can be bought with Postscript support.
Appears to be host RIP, and not resident firmware Ps support,
which means you can only send Ps to the printer via that host
software on one of the two supported platforms (Mac and XP).
What, exactly, the host RIP sends to the printer is not clear.
> What is the advantage of postscript?
When it's resident Ps, it:
* allows use of the printer on "unsupported" hosts,
like Linux, Unix and future versions of the "supported"
hosts after the printer maker tires of driver upkeep
* allows proofing of jobs sent to printer shops as Ps files
* provides a second PDL (page description language), so
if a job won't print with one PDL, it might with the other.
With host RIP, these benefit usually do not apply,
or not for long.
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<38ef4d1d-0159-4864-bcb0-0f19705b5fa8@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
rjn <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Talal Itani" <tit...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I am considering buying the Epson Stylus 3800 inkjet printer.
> > This printer can be bought with Postscript support.
>
> Appears to be host RIP, and not resident firmware Ps support,
> which means you can only send Ps to the printer via that host
> software on one of the two supported platforms (Mac and XP).
> What, exactly, the host RIP sends to the printer is not clear.
>
> > What is the advantage of postscript?
>
> When it's resident Ps, it:
>
> * allows use of the printer on "unsupported" hosts,
> like Linux, Unix and future versions of the "supported"
> hosts after the printer maker tires of driver upkeep
>
> * allows proofing of jobs sent to printer shops as Ps files
>
> * provides a second PDL (page description language), so
> if a job won't print with one PDL, it might with the other.
>
> With host RIP, these benefit usually do not apply,
> or not for long.
On Jun 29, 8:10 am, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com>
wrote:
> Wow. Such misinformation.
And you're not going to correct it,
or even answer the original question?
The Epson Stylus Pro 3800 Standard and Portrait
models include no Ps. The native PDL is ESC/P2.
The "Pro" model includes:
"PostScript Language Level 3 compatible RIP by ColorBurst®"
This I take to be a host RIP that only runs on the
supported operating systems, Mac and Win2k/XP.
Curious that there's no mention of Vista.
I wouldn't make assumptions about that one way or the other.
I would guess that what's sent to the printer is ESC/P2,
or some raster subset of it, even if the Ps path is used.
This is a Ps printer only so long as RIPs are available
for your OS platform.
I personally only buy dual-PDL printers when the Ps
is firmware-resident in the printer, and I have found it
to be useful to have that alternative. This is just
speaking as an ordinary home user.
I imagine that anyone contemplating a 3800 has
different considerations, but then the OP hasn't told
us what the usage is, other than hints of needing
true 2400 dpi capability (which the 3800 can't do,
it is 1440 max on one axis).
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<065df4ab-83c3-453d-b775-0e4a58de94b0@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
rjn <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The "Pro" model includes:
> "PostScript Language Level 3 compatible RIP by ColorBurst®"
> This I take to be a host RIP that only runs on the
> supported operating systems, Mac and Win2k/XP.
> Curious that there's no mention of Vista.
> I wouldn't make assumptions about that one way or the other.
>
> I would guess that what's sent to the printer is ESC/P2,
> or some raster subset of it, even if the Ps path is used.
> This is a Ps printer only so long as RIPs are available
> for your OS platform.
probably.
> I personally only buy dual-PDL printers when the Ps
> is firmware-resident in the printer,
Unless you are working within the Postscript world, in which case it's
****ed handy to have a Postscript RIP--no matter where it resides and no
matter what chips do the processing.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote: >
> It was a daunting task, one for which I was not prepared at the time.
I'm always willing to be mistaken, if you get around to it.
> Unless you are working within the Postscript world,
> in which case it's ****ed handy to have a Postscript RIP
> --no matter where it resides and no
> matter what chips do the processing.
If you are working in the Ps world, you aren't apt to
be asking why you need Ps in Usenet :-)
But it remains an interesting question for retail buyers
of printers. Why might you want Ps?
Here's another reason why an otherwise ordinary user,
doing color-critical DTP, might want Ps in the printer:
Color printers almost always print in CMYK (not RGB).
If your Windows app works in CMYK space, and
generates its own Ps, you can get that CMYK to the
printer without Mr.Bill trashing it back to RGB space
in the Windows GDI. If you have to use the native PDL
driver on Windows, pretty much forget color-matching.
But the major reason may remain that you get a
documented standardized PDL.
> > I personally only buy dual-PDL printers when the Ps
> > is firmware-resident in the printer,
If my aging home laser printer had been host RIP Ps,
it would have ceased being a Ps printer years ago.
I have a couple of iPCL printers (hp C3804A, the original
PhotoSmart) in the basement. They are no longer
useful printers due to lack of driver support, even
though the ink carts might still be available.
A resident Ps printer will remain a useful printer, on any
OS, for as long as the hardware lasts and consumables
remain available.
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NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.
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<f16a2e55-0203-4bb8-a3af-44dbb77f92fd@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
rjn <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Unless you are working within the Postscript world,
> > in which case it's ****ed handy to have a Postscript RIP
> > --no matter where it resides and no
> > matter what chips do the processing.
>
> If you are working in the Ps world, you aren't apt to
> be asking why you need Ps in Usenet :-)
Many people don't realize they're working in a Postscript world. They
produce things in Illustrator and wonder why it comes out so crappy on
their home printer.
> >in the Windows GDI. If you have to use the native PDL
> >driver on Windows, pretty much forget color-matching.
> BS. There are many folks using non-ps printers who use
> a full color managed work flow to print to both locally and remotely.
The key phrase being "full color managed work flow".
In the context of the basenote here, I note that the Epson
3800 only offers bundled color management on the
"Pro" model, possibly only for the Ps print path.
Presumably, one could profile the Standard ESC/P2
model, but the buyer would need to scope that effort.
Also, Windows still has intractable problems in some
color scenarios. FrameMaker is one I'm familiar with.
<http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.3c052e1c/2>
This hasn't changed since I struggled with it before Y2K.
Although in the context of this thread, having a Ps
printer wouldn't help (unless you use the hack of doing
all the color content as CMYK EPS objects).
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Why postscript ? 
Linear Mode
