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Old 05-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Frank Arthur
 
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Default Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?

35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?


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Old 05-19-2007, 06:33 PM
G.T.
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper


"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
news:sgG3i.469$KC4.339@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?


Good question, something I've wondered myself.

Greg


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Old 05-19-2007, 06:37 PM
Alan Browne
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

Frank Arthur wrote:
> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?



Becasue they're idiots.

In effect the photo imaging industry are idiots.

They've passed up a huge opportunity to adopt sensors that are
proportioned per the ISO 216 "A" system. 1:SQRT(2) = SQRT(2):2 .

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-paper.html

The relationship of these paper sizes is akin to aperture stops which is
ironic.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Old 05-19-2007, 07:29 PM
ASAAR
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

On Sat, 19 May 2007 13:15:10 -0400, Frank Arthur wrote:

> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?


So they can't be easily and inexpensively cut down to 4" x 6"?

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Old 05-19-2007, 08:15 PM
Joseph Meehan
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

Frank Arthur wrote:
> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?


Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but
all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is
very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of
industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography,
packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines
designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined the
standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but changing one
size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.

The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those
sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change,
we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is
using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit



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Old 05-19-2007, 09:02 PM
Frank Arthur
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper



"Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAMjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:464f4b77$0$16726$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Frank Arthur wrote:
>> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>>
>> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
>> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?

>
> Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but
> all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is
> very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of
> industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography,
> packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines
> designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined
> the standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but
> changing one size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.
>
> The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those
> sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change,
> we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is
> using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit


Photo Paper is available in 8 x 10 inch sizes indicating the 8 inch width is
standard.
So are rolls of paper 8 inches wide. Cutting & packing 8 x 12 would be
relatively easy
if customers demanded it.


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Old 05-19-2007, 11:12 PM
measekite
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper



Joseph Meehan wrote:

Frank Arthur wrote:



Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers? 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?



Paper has traditionally been made at the factory (not photo paper, but all types of paper) certain widths on very wide rolls. The machinery is very large, very expensive and last a very long time. All kinds of industries use paper including newspapers, paper towels, photography, packaging, construction etc. All these industries have their own machines designed for certain size paper. Many years of history have determined the standards. They don't always make sense in today's world, but changing one size can mean many other sizes and uses would be affected.


There is a similar logic to photo frame sizes.


The fun part of all this is on the other side of the pond, all those sizes are different from in the US. If we really wanted to make a change, we should really look to change to the standards the rest of the world is using and progress that direction in a planed orderly manner.

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Old 05-20-2007, 01:06 AM
Mark B.
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
news:sgG3i.469$KC4.339@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?
>


Probably because 8x12 isn't a standard size in the US - picture frames are
commonly available as 8x10. Try to find a 1 hour photo printer that will do
an 8x12. I agree, 8x12 would be a great option (at least for landscape
orientation) but 8x10 has been a standard photo size for a very long time.

Mark


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Old 05-20-2007, 03:57 AM
M-M
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

In article <sgG3i.469$KC4.339@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote:

> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?



Epson sells roll photo paper 8.3 inches x32 feet. I use it for 8x12's
and also panorama prints.

--
m-m
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Old 05-20-2007, 05:32 AM
MarkČ
 
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Default Re: Why no 8 x 12 Photo Paper

Frank Arthur wrote:
> Why can't you buy 8 x 12 inch Photo Paper for Epson or HP Printers?
>
> 35mm Film Cameras and Digital Cameras use the 2:3 proportions
> so they would fit 8 x 12 paper yet none is available. Anyone know why?


13x9 is more what you'd want to print your 8x12 on anyway (for framing)....
-And that's the REAL question...

-----Why in H-E-C-K(!!!!!) is it so freaking impossible to buy frames for
the 3:2 ratio!!!!!!!??????

I would have thought that after a zillion years of 35mm...and the huge
adoption of 3:2 DSLR ...that somebody...somewhere...would start selling
frames for the ratio. Instead, we have a glut of everything but 3:2.

Drives me crazy.

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Images (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by MarkČ at:
www.pbase.com/markuson


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