On Sep 24, 9:31 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Admittedly, the early Epsons had massive cartridges and the heads moved
> considerably more slowly than current models with smaller cartridges.
>
> Epson's larger pro printers do have annexed cartridges with feeder
> tubes. The CIS offered for Epsons do the same. I assume the ones
> designed for Canons are similarly designed.
The CIS systems I've seen are tubes fed to sealed cartridges. It
looks like identical tanks to cartridges, with few changes made to the
cartridges.
I don't know where Epson's cutoff point is between cartridge feed and
tube feed, but I know some of their true wide models (a2 and above)
contain about 500ml+ of ink.
> That's substantial for a $2 decrease in list price (I that's what I
> recall being posted earlier). It doesn't look like any technological
> advantages in the yield department, does it?
I won't complain if there was no real decrease. The old black
cartridge was sized to print on a 500 pack of paper. It wasn't a
large as others, but it was at least a logical size.
The MSRP for the tanks are as follows
iP4500 IP4600
PGI-220 PGI-5 $16.25 - $14.99 (-1.27) 7.75% less
Cyan CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
Mag CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
Yell CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
Blck CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
[source usa.canon.com]
Staples is similar. -80cents for CLI -$1.50 for PGI black
The first "tube fed" Epson was the 3000. I can't recall right now the
exact ink volume, but I think it was about 150ml.
All Epson printers with numbers of 3000 or more (other than the CX
series, which are 4 color pigment ink printers using Durabrite inks
models) use tube feeding, with cartridges of various sizes. That
includes the 3000, 4000, 5000, 7000, 9000 and 10000 series models. Some
of those printers can take two different sized cartridges.
Art
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:
> On Sep 24, 9:31 pm, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> Admittedly, the early Epsons had massive cartridges and the heads moved
>> considerably more slowly than current models with smaller cartridges.
>>
>> Epson's larger pro printers do have annexed cartridges with feeder
>> tubes. The CIS offered for Epsons do the same. I assume the ones
>> designed for Canons are similarly designed.
>
> The CIS systems I've seen are tubes fed to sealed cartridges. It
> looks like identical tanks to cartridges, with few changes made to the
> cartridges.
>
> I don't know where Epson's cutoff point is between cartridge feed and
> tube feed, but I know some of their true wide models (a2 and above)
> contain about 500ml+ of ink.
>
>
>> That's substantial for a $2 decrease in list price (I that's what I
>> recall being posted earlier). It doesn't look like any technological
>> advantages in the yield department, does it?
>
> I won't complain if there was no real decrease. The old black
> cartridge was sized to print on a 500 pack of paper. It wasn't a
> large as others, but it was at least a logical size.
>
> The MSRP for the tanks are as follows
>
> iP4500 IP4600
> PGI-220 PGI-5 $16.25 - $14.99 (-1.27) 7.75% less
> Cyan CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
> Mag CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
> Yell CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
> Blck CLI-221 $14.25 - $12.99 (-1.26) 8.84% less
> [source usa.canon.com]
>
> Staples is similar. -80cents for CLI -$1.50 for PGI black
>
>
>
>
>
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
"Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:CCJCk.93$Un6.70@newsfe12.iad...
> There is a considerable body of legislation in many so-called
> "capitalistic democracies" (possibly an oxymoron) regarding restriction of
> trade, anti-monopoly or anti-trust and anti-tying legislation which indeed
> does restrict what manufacturers can do. These laws date back to the 16
> and 1700s in some cases. The Fair competition act in Europe predates the
> US and Canadian legislation. Recent EU legislation specifically prohibits
> the sale of printers which do not use refillable cartridges. I suppose in
> nearly brain-dead Measekite's mind all those countries are
> non-capitalistic. Those laws do restrict what manufacturers can produce.
> There are lot of laws that control safety, quality, warranty requirements,
> and many other aspects of the sale of goods in the US. Some are federal,
> many of under state jurisdiction and the states' attorney generals office
> is responsible. Once the sadly lingering Bush administration goes and
> hopefully some of the upper judicial branch starts to be replaced in teh
> US, hopefully they will have a more balanced legal network to protect both
> end users and manufacturers.
>
> The printer industry has abused copyright and patent acts to try to get
> around some fundamentals and hopefully as the bad boys of the Whitehouse
> are booted out, some sense of fairness and environmental issues will come
> to mind and legislation can follow.
>
> As the end of the day, these dinosaurs will be forced to change kicking
> and screaming either to change their ways or to deal with a very angry
> population as teh consequences become more apparent.
>
> I sense a legal cold wind blowing for printer manufacturers should they
> continue to act irresponsibly in terms of high meas or wishing do not
> control
>
>
> Art
Yes, just what we need, more governmental restrictions on the free market.
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