Samsung Laser Refill Problem, HP 1018 any better for refill?

I have a Samsung ml-1610 laser printer. I bought a refill kit but
still gives me light prints (and streaky). Is it a cheap refill or
are certain brands of printer don't refill properly? I am debating
in maybe buying a new printer, which is the same price as for new
toner cartridge. I am wondering if the HP 1018 I saw at the store
better for refilling then the samsung? And yes, I know some of you
will discourage me from refilling toner. Thanks.

"lbbss" <labicff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Samsung ml-1610 laser printer. I bought a refill kit but
> still gives me light prints (and streaky). Is it a cheap refill or
> are certain brands of printer don't refill properly? I am debating
> in maybe buying a new printer, which is the same price as for new
> toner cartridge. I am wondering if the HP 1018 I saw at the store
> better for refilling then the samsung? And yes, I know some of you
> will discourage me from refilling toner. Thanks.
>

If you're considering the HP 1018 . get the 1020 instead. Unlike the 1018 ,
it has a FULL toner cart!

lbbss <labicff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a Samsung ml-1610 laser printer. I bought a refill kit but
>still gives me light prints (and streaky). Is it a cheap refill or
>are certain brands of printer don't refill properly? I am debating
>in maybe buying a new printer, which is the same price as for new
>toner cartridge. I am wondering if the HP 1018 I saw at the store
>better for refilling then the samsung? And yes, I know some of you
>will discourage me from refilling toner. Thanks.


I will try not to discourage you but the Q2612 cartridge has a couple of
problems for refilling.
It has a very small waste toner hopper, so if you refill using the drill and
fill method you risk toner being spread around the printer.
In order to empty the hopper you need to split the cartridge and that requires
the removement of two steel pins, they can only be removed using a tool with a
bent point. If you remove the spring at one end of the drum and then the drum
bearing plate followed by the drum and PCR you can just see the ends of these
pins inside the cartridge, they need to be pushed out and then the cartridge
can be split. Removing the wiper blade then allows emptying of the hopper. From
then on it is easy.
The drum will only support one refill, the mag. sleeve two at most and then you
will start to get light print or image defects.
these cartridges do not support refilling as well as many earlier cartridges
from HP but it can be done but only once if you value good quality printing.

On Sep 11, 8:47 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lbbss <labi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I have aSamsungml-1610 laser printer. I bought arefillkit but
> >still gives me light prints (and streaky). Is it a cheaprefillor
> >are certain brands of printer don'trefillproperly? I am debating
> >in maybe buying a new printer, which is the same price as for new
> >toner cartridge. I am wondering if the HP 1018 I saw at the store
> >better for refilling then thesamsung? And yes, I know some of you
> >will discourage me from refilling toner. Thanks.
>
> I will try not to discourage you but the Q2612 cartridge has a couple of
> problems for refilling.
> It has a very small waste toner hopper, so if yourefillusing the drill and
> fill method you risk toner being spread around the printer.
> In order to empty the hopper you need to split the cartridge and that requires
> the removement of two steel pins, they can only be removed using a tool with a
> bent point. If you remove the spring at one end of the drum and then the drum
> bearing plate followed by the drum and PCR you can just see the ends of these
> pins inside the cartridge, they need to be pushed out and then the cartridge
> can be split. Removing the wiper blade then allows emptying of the hopper.. From
> then on it is easy.
> The drum will only support onerefill, the mag. sleeve two at most and then you
> will start to get light print or image defects.
> these cartridges do not support refilling as well as many earlier cartridges
> from HP but it can be done but only once if you value good quality printing.

The Samsung ML1610 is really easy to refill cheaply from bottles of
toner powder (£9.99 from consumablecafe.co.uk) - i've got a feeling
your mistake was either to forget to pour away the waste toner from
inside the toner cartridge BEFORE you refilled it with new toner (the
Samsung doesn't have a waste container and waste toner is stored in a
special compartment inside the cartridge which will pour out through
the side plug if shaken on its side before you refill it) or perhaps
you tried to refill the "starter" cartridge which came free with the
machine and isn't designed for refilling as it is made of cheaper
components than an original cartridge and is designed to fail after
printing only 1000 sheets of paper! Remember not to leave the samsung
on "toner save" as this will prematurely burn out the drum unit! Let
me know if you still need any help or advice!

Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
Why toner should be wasted?(like inkjet printers ink cleaning cycles?)

Can someone plz explain me how this thing works?

Thanks guys!

On 10-Oct-2007, ggreekx <nomail> wrote:

> Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
> Why toner should be wasted?

It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
go round again and produce a ghost image. A
not uncommon problem.
So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
replacement. 500 pages later problems.

On 2007-10-10 16:39:23 +0200, ato_zee@hotmail.com said:

>
> On 10-Oct-2007, ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>
>> Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
>> Why toner should be wasted?
>
> It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
> up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
> the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
> toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
> go round again and produce a ghost image. A
> not uncommon problem.
> So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
> surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
> is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
> Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
> for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
> if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
> As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
> blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
> leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
> So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
> Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
> the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
> replacement. 500 pages later problems.

hmm,what about if toner and drum unit aren't together?
Like oki's or epson c1100?
How it works?

ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>On 2007-10-10 16:39:23 +0200, ato_zee@hotmail.com said:
>
>>
>> On 10-Oct-2007, ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>>
>>> Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
>>> Why toner should be wasted?
>>
>> It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
>> up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
>> the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
>> toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
>> go round again and produce a ghost image. A
>> not uncommon problem.
>> So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
>> surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
>> is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
>> Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
>> for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
>> if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
>> As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
>> blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
>> leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
>> So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
>> Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
>> the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
>> replacement. 500 pages later problems.
>
>hmm,what about if toner and drum unit aren't together?
>Like oki's or epson c1100?
>How it works?

It depends....
Some manufacturers put the waste toner back into the main toner compartment in
the cartridge, this works well except that when the cartridge is getting close
to empty there is a tendency for the printer to put a gray background on the
page. This is caused by an increase in the proportion of developer in the toner.
Others have a wiper (scavenger) blade and waste toner compartment in the drum
unit (separate from the toner cartridge).
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging

ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>On 2007-10-10 16:39:23 +0200, ato_zee@hotmail.com said:
>
>>
>> On 10-Oct-2007, ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>>
>>> Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
>>> Why toner should be wasted?
>>
>> It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
>> up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
>> the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
>> toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
>> go round again and produce a ghost image. A
>> not uncommon problem.
>> So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
>> surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
>> is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
>> Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
>> for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
>> if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
>> As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
>> blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
>> leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
>> So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
>> Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
>> the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
>> replacement. 500 pages later problems.
>
>hmm,what about if toner and drum unit aren't together?
>Like oki's or epson c1100?
>How it works?

It depends....
Some manufacturers put the waste toner back into the main toner compartment in
the cartridge, this works well except that when the cartridge is getting close
to empty there is a tendency for the printer to put a gray background on the
page. This is caused by an increase in the proportion of developer in the toner.
Others have a wiper (scavenger) blade and waste toner compartment in the drum
unit (separate from the toner cartridge).
Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging

What you state is generally true, but not every company sees the excess
toner as waste. On some of the newer cartridges, I have noticed that
the excess toner is simply recycled into the toner storage area. It is
true that there could be a bit of contamination from picking up stuff
that the paper brought in like paper dust or static charged foreign
material, but it seems less of an issue than what happens with inkjet
ink which can be pretty badly contaminated, thickened or otherwise not
suitable for mixing back with the ink. Also, most inkjet printers mix
all the ink removed from the heads together during the cleaning process.


Art

ato_zee@hotmail.com wrote:

> On 10-Oct-2007, ggreekx <nomail> wrote:
>
>
>>Does every toner cartridge have a waste compartment?
>>Why toner should be wasted?
>
>
> It seems to be inherent in the process, the drum picks
> up toner which it's going to lay down onto the paper,
> the transfer may not be 100 percent and residual
> toner remains on the drum. If not removed it would
> go round again and produce a ghost image. A
> not uncommon problem.
> So there is a scavenger blade to remove any
> surplus toner, there shouldn't be any if everying
> is working perfectly, as for a new cartridge.
> Mfr's deem this scavenged toner as unsuitable
> for re-use, as they would in the case of an inkjet
> if it was scavenged as part of the cleaning cycle.
> As toner cartridges wear and age, the scavenger
> blade deteriorates, becoming less efficient,
> leading to gray diffuse streaks and ghost images.
> So ideally it should be replaced when refilling.
> Cheap aftermarket refillers may not replace
> the blade, or use a non-OEM sub-standard
> replacement. 500 pages later problems.