Need a new all-in-one

My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
initialize when I power up any more. Looking at fixyourownprinter.com, I
see this is a common problem with these machines. Sometimes cleaning the
bottomside of the scanner glass will fix it, but this doesn't seem like
one of those times. So, I think I'm in the market for another
multifunction printer.

I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate
devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices -
I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want something
that works.

Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are
easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts
couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer that's
going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity under adverse conditions
isn't important to me, as a rule.

I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when not
used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then be used
several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a printer
that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to fool with
every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my (now) main
printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black. I'm not afraid
of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer in almost 20 years.

Any suggestions?

TJ

TJ wrote:
> My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
> initialize when I power up any more. Looking at fixyourownprinter.com,
> I see this is a common problem with these machines. Sometimes cleaning
> the bottomside of the scanner glass will fix it, but this doesn't seem
> like one of those times. So, I think I'm in the market for another
> multifunction printer.
>
> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
> firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate
> devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices
> - I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want
> something that works.
>
> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
> deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
> Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are
> easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts
> couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer
> that's going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity
as well as print quality
> under adverse conditions isn't important to me, as a rule.
and that is why you do not use the best OEM ink.
>
> I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when not
> used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then be
> used several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a
> printer that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to
> fool with every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my
> (now) main printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black.
> I'm not afraid of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer
> in almost 20 years.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TJ

measekite wrote:
>
>
> TJ wrote:
>> My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
>> initialize when I power up any more. Looking at fixyourownprinter.com,
>> I see this is a common problem with these machines. Sometimes cleaning
>> the bottomside of the scanner glass will fix it, but this doesn't seem
>> like one of those times. So, I think I'm in the market for another
>> multifunction printer.
>>
>> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
>> firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate
>> devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices
>> - I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want
>> something that works.
>>
>> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
>> deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
>> Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are
>> easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts
>> couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer
>> that's going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity
> as well as print quality
>> under adverse conditions isn't important to me, as a rule.
> and that is why you do not use the best OEM ink.
>>
>> I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when not
>> used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then be
>> used several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a
>> printer that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to
>> fool with every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my
>> (now) main printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black.
>> I'm not afraid of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer
>> in almost 20 years.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> TJ

I should have asked for constructive suggestions. All I got from you was
a couple of feeble attempts at insults. I see you didn't recommend some
Canon model or another. Why not? Was it the Linux support issue, the
desire to refill, or that I was open to used or refurbished?

TJ

TJ wrote:
> My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
> initialize when I power up any more. Looking at fixyourownprinter.com, I
> see this is a common problem with these machines. Sometimes cleaning the
> bottomside of the scanner glass will fix it, but this doesn't seem like
> one of those times. So, I think I'm in the market for another
> multifunction printer.
>
> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
> firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate
> devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices -
> I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want something
> that works.
>
> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
> deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
> Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are
> easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts
> couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer that's
> going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity under adverse conditions
> isn't important to me, as a rule.
>
> I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when not
> used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then be used
> several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a printer
> that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to fool with
> every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my (now) main
> printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black. I'm not afraid
> of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer in almost 20 years.
>
> Any suggestions?

Based on my experience with a Canon MP780 I would recommend their latest
8XX series printer. You will lose ink monitoring with the CLI-8
cartridges but they are easy to refill. My MP780 has been flawless for
over two years being used in a home office. I hope it lasts several
more years as it does everything I need quite well. Plus, it uses BCI-6
cartridges that I can pick up for $1.50 each shipped to my door. IMO,
it hard to beat the bang-for-the-buck that Canon delivers with most of
their MF line.

TJ wrote:
> My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
> initialize when I power up any more. Looking at fixyourownprinter.com, I
> see this is a common problem with these machines. Sometimes cleaning the
> bottomside of the scanner glass will fix it, but this doesn't seem like
> one of those times. So, I think I'm in the market for another
> multifunction printer.
>
> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
> firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate
> devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices -
> I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want something
> that works.
>
> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
> deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
> Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are
> easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts
> couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer that's
> going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity under adverse conditions
> isn't important to me, as a rule.
>
> I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when not
> used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then be used
> several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a printer
> that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to fool with
> every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my (now) main
> printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black. I'm not afraid
> of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer in almost 20 years.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TJ

Looking at the Linux foundation OpenPrinting database, it looks like HP
is the only viable option if I'm to use Linux. Others have limited
support, most often for the printer part only.

So, HP it is, then. I see lots of HP all-in-ones on Ebay and other
places. It just remains to choose the right one...

TJ

Michael Johnson wrote:
> TJ wrote:
>> My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me. The scanner won't
>> initialize when I power up any more. Looking at
>> fixyourownprinter.com, I see this is a common problem with these
>> machines. Sometimes cleaning the bottomside of the scanner glass will
>> fix it, but this doesn't seem like one of those times. So, I think
>> I'm in the market for another multifunction printer.
>>
>> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without
>> firing up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with
>> separate devices. I don't care about getting "best of breed" for
>> these devices - I'm buying a printer, not a dog show contestant. I
>> just want something that works.
>>
>> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is
>> a deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes
>> to Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that
>> are easy to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57
>> carts couldn't have been much easier to refill. I don't want a
>> printer that's going to nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity under
>> adverse conditions isn't important to me, as a rule.
>>
>> I'd rather not get an Epson. As a brand, they clog too easily when
>> not used. This printer might sit for weeks without being used, then
>> be used several times a day for a few days, then sit again. I want a
>> printer that will be ready when I want it, not something I have to
>> fool with every couple of days. The printer will be a backup for my
>> (now) main printer, a Deskjet 5650, so I need both color and black.
>> I'm not afraid of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new
>> printer in almost 20 years.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Based on my experience with a Canon MP780 I would recommend their
> latest 8XX series printer. You will lose ink monitoring with the
> CLI-8 cartridges
That is a bunch of crap. If you use the machine according to the manual
you will not loose anything.
> but they are easy to refill. My MP780 has been flawless for over two
> years being used in a home office. I hope it lasts several more years
> as it does everything I need quite well. Plus, it uses BCI-6
> cartridges that I can pick up for $1.50 each shipped to my door.
Another lie. Canon BCI-6 carts are around $10.00. You must be buying crap.
> IMO, it hard to beat the bang-for-the-buck that Canon delivers with
> most of their MF line.

"TJ" <TJ@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:g14m7l$ik2$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> TJ wrote:
> > My HP PSC 2110 has apparently given up on me.

> Looking at the Linux foundation OpenPrinting database, it looks like HP
> is the only viable option if I'm to use Linux. Others have limited
> support, most often for the printer part only.
>
> So, HP it is, then. I see lots of HP all-in-ones on Ebay and other
> places. It just remains to choose the right one...

I bought a Brother DCP because it was on special: and was
then very pleased that its scanner was so much faster than
Epson CX models. (Don't yet know about consumables.)
Brother reports it is now developing Linux drivers, see
http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Michael Johnson wrote:

>> Based on my experience with a Canon MP780 I would recommend their latest
>> 8XX series printer. You will lose ink monitoring with the CLI-8
>> cartridges

> That is a bunch of crap. If you use the machine according to the manual
> you will not loose anything.

Except a fortune in paying for ink.

>> but they are easy to refill. My MP780 has been flawless for over two
>> years being used in a home office. I hope it lasts several more years as
>> it does everything I need quite well. Plus, it uses BCI-6 cartridges
>> that I can pick up for $1.50 each shipped to my door.

> Another lie. Canon BCI-6 carts are around $10.00. You must be buying
> crap.

Where's the lie? You pay 7x what he pays for ink - he's happy - you're
happy. It is not necessary to pay vintage brandy prices for printer ink.
Most of what we print is ephemeral anyway.

"TJ" <TJ@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:g12prh$vit$1@registered.motzarella.org...

> I want a MF because I like the convenience of making a copy without firing
> up the whole computer system, like I'd have to do with separate devices. I
> don't care about getting "best of breed" for these devices - I'm buying a
> printer, not a dog show contestant. I just want something that works.
>
> Priority 1 is that it has to be fully functional with Linux. This is a
> deal-breaker. HP is probably the best supported brand when it comes to
> Linux, but others will work, too. I also want ink cartridges that are easy
> to refill - chipless, if possible. The 2110's #56 and #57 carts couldn't
> have been much easier to refill. I don't want a printer that's going to
> nag me to get OEM ink. Print longevity under adverse conditions isn't
> important to me, as a rule.
> I'm not afraid of used or refurbished - I haven't bought a new printer in
> almost 20 years.

Personally I have a couple of HP Photosmart 2610's that I use. They use the
#96/97 cartridges, similar to the 56/57 but have higher capacity. The
Officejet 7310 or 7410 are also good units, like the 2610 but with automatic
document feeder. The 7410 will automatically make double sided copies in
standalone mode, a feature that can be handy at times. For these I
recommend the duplexer, standard on the 7410 and optional on the others.
These are all print/fax/copy/scan units.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging

OG wrote:
> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
> news:eKlZj.49$uE5.28@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>> Michael Johnson wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> Based on my experience with a Canon MP780 I would recommend their latest
>>> 8XX series printer. You will lose ink monitoring with the CLI-8
>>> cartridges
>>>
>
>
>> That is a bunch of crap. If you use the machine according to the manual
>> you will not loose anything.
>>
>
> Except a fortune in paying for ink.
>
>
>>> but they are easy to refill. My MP780 has been flawless for over two
>>> years being used in a home office. I hope it lasts several more years as
>>> it does everything I need quite well. Plus, it uses BCI-6 cartridges
>>> that I can pick up for $1.50 each shipped to my door.
>>>
>
>
>> Another lie. Canon BCI-6 carts are around $10.00. You must be buying
>> crap.
>>
>
> Where's the lie? You pay 7x what he pays for ink - he's happy - you're
> happy. It is not necessary to pay vintage brandy prices for printer ink.
> Most of what we print is ephemeral anyway.
>
Please understand this: If the guy pays a cheap price and gets the crap
that he pays for and is happy that is ok. If someone else pays a lot
more and gets a better product that is ok also. You just cannot compare
the two. They are not the same thing. You did not save any money. You
spent less and got less in one case and in the other you spent more and
got more.

What gets me is that some posters say they saved money when they did not
and they will not admit the facts. They want to drown in
rationalization to make themselves feel better about what they did but
they will not even admit that.
>
>