On Sep 8, 10:07 am, Anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> I was browsing Staples yesterday and a woman approached
> me and warned me not to consider any Brother laser printers, cause not
> only one has to replace a color toner when it runs out, but something
> about a drum. She said once the drum goes, it gets pretty expensive to
> replace...Does anyone know the truth about drums in printers? Do they
> all have them? Are they that sensitive and expensive to replace? Who
> can recommend such a printer without a drum? This was the first time I
> ever heard of a drum in a printer.
Samsung - tho guess Brother might be the same. I checked it out first
- to disassemble the drum for refilling, paper count fuses, and
whatever curves might be thrown in. Costs $6 for a bottle of toner
from Singapore, shipped USPS. Color I don't need, though. For a $40
laser, shipped, marked up aftermarket or factory toner/drum assemblies
become less a concern.
> On Sep 8, 10:07 am, Anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I was browsing Staples yesterday and a woman approached
> > me and warned me not to consider any Brother laser printers, cause not
> > only one has to replace a color toner when it runs out, but something
> > about a drum. She said once the drum goes, it gets pretty expensive to
> > replace...Does anyone know the truth about drums in printers? Do they
> > all have them? Are they that sensitive and expensive to replace? Who
> > can recommend such a printer without a drum? This was the first time I
> > ever heard of a drum in a printer.
>
> Samsung - tho guess Brother might be the same. I checked it out first
> - to disassemble the drum for refilling, paper count fuses, and
> whatever curves might be thrown in. Costs $6 for a bottle of toner
> from Singapore, shipped USPS. Color I don't need, though. For a $40
> laser, shipped, marked up aftermarket or factory toner/drum assemblies
> become less a concern.
There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it seems like you are
talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
I bought a Brother HL-5040 laser printer for high-volume black and white printing, not realizing the difference between a laser and laserjet. Once I realized the difference, I thought the separate toner and drum replacement would be a problem, but it is easy to do.
So far, in six years I have replaced the toner cartridge once (Yes I use it all the time!), and the drum is supposed to last for three toner cartridges. I priced the drum at around $90 back then -- almost as much as the cost of the new printer, and more than the cost of the toner cartridge (around $65). It is a good, cheap solution to high-volume b/w printing requirements at less than 1 cent per page.
I bought a second laser (HL-2080) for my son to take to college. If he needs color he can use the inkjet.
I do not know if laserjets get the same print volume per cartridge as a laser, but I suspect they probably come close.
> Flasherly <Flasherly@live.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 8, 10:07 am, Anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > I was browsing Staples yesterday and a woman approached me and warned
>> > me not to consider any Brother laser printers, cause not only one has
>> > to replace a color toner when it runs out, but something about a
>> > drum. She said once the drum goes, it gets pretty expensive to
>> > replace...Does anyone know the truth about drums in printers? Do they
>> > all have them? Are they that sensitive and expensive to replace? Who
>> > can recommend such a printer without a drum? This was the first time
>> > I ever heard of a drum in a printer.
>>
>> Samsung - tho guess Brother might be the same. I checked it out first
>> - to disassemble the drum for refilling, paper count fuses, and
>> whatever curves might be thrown in. Costs $6 for a bottle of toner
>> from Singapore, shipped USPS. Color I don't need, though. For a $40
>> laser, shipped, marked up aftermarket or factory toner/drum assemblies
>> become less a concern.
>
> There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it seems like
you
> are
> talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
Unless you're specifically talking about this particular model, remember
that in some cases the toner cartridge *includes* the drum.
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:34:58 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
> > Flasherly <Flasherly@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 8, 10:07 am, Anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > I was browsing Staples yesterday and a woman approached me and warned
> >> > me not to consider any Brother laser printers, cause not only one has
> >> > to replace a color toner when it runs out, but something about a
> >> > drum. She said once the drum goes, it gets pretty expensive to
> >> > replace...Does anyone know the truth about drums in printers? Do they
> >> > all have them? Are they that sensitive and expensive to replace? Who
> >> > can recommend such a printer without a drum? This was the first time
> >> > I ever heard of a drum in a printer.
> >>
> >> Samsung - tho guess Brother might be the same. I checked it out first
> >> - to disassemble the drum for refilling, paper count fuses, and
> >> whatever curves might be thrown in. Costs $6 for a bottle of toner
> >> from Singapore, shipped USPS. Color I don't need, though. For a $40
> >> laser, shipped, marked up aftermarket or factory toner/drum assemblies
> >> become less a concern.
> >
> > There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it seems like
> you
> > are
> > talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
>
> Unless you're specifically talking about this particular model, remember
> that in some cases the toner cartridge *includes* the drum.
Yes, ALL laser printers have Toner Cartridge *inside* the Drum as this is
where the Drum get the toner print on paper.
> I bought a Brother HL-5040 laser printer for high-volume black and white
> printing, not realizing the difference between a laser and laserjet.
> Once I realized the difference, I thought the separate toner and drum
> replacement would be a problem, but it is easy to do.
>
> So far, in six years I have replaced the toner cartridge once (Yes I
> use it all the time!), and the drum is supposed to last for three toner
> cartridges. I priced the drum at around $90 back then -- almost as much
> as the cost of the new printer, and more than the cost of the toner
> cartridge (around $65). It is a good, cheap solution to high-volume b/w
> printing requirements at less than 1 cent per page.
>
> I bought a second laser (HL-2080) for my son to take to college. If he
> needs color he can use the inkjet.
>
> I do not know if laserjets get the same print volume per cartridge as a
> laser, but I suspect they probably come close.
To make thing simpler to understand, depending on the model the Drum may
have some where around 20,000 to 40,000 print.
Lets say you have a 20,000 print DRUM, and you use 2,000 print toner
catridge then you should be able to use up to around 9-10 toner cartridges
before the roller wears out, and some model will STOP working until you
RESET the counter.
To remanufacture the drum, all you need to do is replacing the ROLLER and
that's about it. I haven't done it myself, but that is what I read for
ages.
> Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:34:58 -0500, Joel wrote:
>>
>> > Flasherly <Flasherly@live.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sep 8, 10:07 am, Anthona <harri85...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> > I was browsing Staples yesterday and a woman approached me and
>> >> > warned me not to consider any Brother laser printers, cause not
>> >> > only one has to replace a color toner when it runs out, but
>> >> > something about a drum. She said once the drum goes, it gets
>> >> > pretty expensive to replace...Does anyone know the truth about
>> >> > drums in printers? Do they all have them? Are they that sensitive
>> >> > and expensive to replace? Who can recommend such a printer without
>> >> > a drum? This was the first time I ever heard of a drum in a
>> >> > printer.
>> >>
>> >> Samsung - tho guess Brother might be the same. I checked it out
>> >> first - to disassemble the drum for refilling, paper count fuses,
>> >> and whatever curves might be thrown in. Costs $6 for a bottle of
>> >> toner from Singapore, shipped USPS. Color I don't need, though.
>> >> For a $40 laser, shipped, marked up aftermarket or factory
>> >> toner/drum assemblies become less a concern.
>> >
>> > There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it seems like
>> you
>> > are
>> > talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
>>
>> Unless you're specifically talking about this particular model,
>> remember that in some cases the toner cartridge *includes* the drum.
>
> Yes, ALL laser printers have Toner Cartridge *inside* the Drum as
this
> is
> where the Drum get the toner print on paper.
> >> > There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it seems like
> >> you
> >> > are
> >> > talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
> >>
> >> Unless you're specifically talking about this particular model,
> >> remember that in some cases the toner cartridge *includes* the drum.
> >
> > Yes, ALL laser printers have Toner Cartridge *inside* the Drum as
> this
> > is
> > where the Drum get the toner print on paper.
>
> Wrong.
> Bob Eager <rde42@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> >> > There should be no toner in the Drum to refill, or it
seems like
>> >> you
>> >> > are
>> >> > talking about the Toner Cartridge *not* the DRUM
>> >>
>> >> Unless you're specifically talking about this particular model,
>> >> remember that in some cases the toner cartridge *includes* the drum.
>> >
>> > Yes, ALL laser printers have Toner Cartridge *inside* the Drum as
>> this
>> > is
>> > where the Drum get the toner print on paper.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> Then you must be almost right then <BG>
No, I'm completely right! You said ALL, and it's not all.
In fact, in my HP LJ4M+ right here, the drum is inside the toner
(cartridge)!
As far as I am aware the difference between a laser and a laserjet is
that HP uses the name "laserjet" for their product line of laser
printers. In other words, a laserjet is a laser printer.
However, HP uses a self-contained cartridge system which has the toner
cartridge and the drum in one unit and you replace both when you run out
of toner (unless you refill the cartridge, using the same cartridge, and
therefore the same drum). This practice is used by some other brands as
well, but some are still using the separate toner and drum, or even
toner, developer and drum sections, although the later is fairly rare
these days.
One other comment. Six years ago, laser printers were being sold with a
different business model. Generally, that long ago, the printers were
selling for a bit more to acquire, and came with a full toner cartridge
and often a heavy duty drum. Today, laser printers, like inkjet
printers tend to be sold less expensively, but come with partially
filled (or starter) cartridges and with drums designed for one or two
refills before degrading.
The whole printer industry has gone to having the profit tied up in the
consumables like toner, ink, cartridges, drums, and paper and
supplementing the printer sale from those later sales.
Art
If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
Guy wrote:
> I bought a Brother HL-5040 laser printer for high-volume black and white
> printing, not realizing the difference between a laser and laserjet.
> Once I realized the difference, I thought the separate toner and drum
> replacement would be a problem, but it is easy to do.
>
> So far, in six years I have replaced the toner cartridge once (Yes I
> use it all the time!), and the drum is supposed to last for three toner
> cartridges. I priced the drum at around $90 back then -- almost as much
> as the cost of the new printer, and more than the cost of the toner
> cartridge (around $65). It is a good, cheap solution to high-volume b/w
> printing requirements at less than 1 cent per page.
>
> I bought a second laser (HL-2080) for my son to take to college. If he
> needs color he can use the inkjet.
>
> I do not know if laserjets get the same print volume per cartridge as a
> laser, but I suspect they probably come close.
>
>
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