"Robert Montgomery" <info-block@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
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> How can I save on ink costs?
>
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
> the ink to be archival.
>
1) No such thing as "archival" inkjet prints. Don't believe marketing hype.
2) Epson inks have no special claim to longevity. Given the right
combination of ink and paper, compatible ink may well last as long or
longer.
"Robert Montgomery" <info-block@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
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> How can I save on ink costs?
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
> the ink to be archival.
1. How is archival defined? This obviously involves paper
and storage methods as well as ink and years.
2. What are you now using for ink and paper? What cost
3. If we know the technical characters of the ink and paper
we might then know whether you are already saving as
much as you can.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Robert Montgomery wrote:
> How can I save on ink costs?
>
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I
> need the ink to be archival.
If you want quality you have to pay for it. The Epson 3800 and the
Canon IPF models are better on ink than the Epson 2400
Robert Montgomery wrote:
> How can I save on ink costs?
>
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
> the ink to be archival.
If prints are mounted in a way that protects them from direct sunlight
and put behind glass they will last a long time not matter what ink is
used. If not then even the best ink and paper won't keep them from
fading. I'm not familiar with Epson printers, my experience with Canon
printers is third party compatible inks are just as good as expensive
OEM ink. I would expect it to be the same for Epson. I think some
Epson printers have chips that keep the owner from using compatible ink.
"DanG" <nospam@q.com> wrote in message
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> "Robert Montgomery" <info-block@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:Gv0Uj.920$KB3.362@edtnps91...
>> How can I save on ink costs?
>>
>> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>>
>> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
>> the ink to be archival.
>>
>
> 1) No such thing as "archival" inkjet prints. Don't believe marketing
> hype.
>
> 2) Epson inks have no special claim to longevity. Given the right
> combination of ink and paper, compatible ink may well last as long or
> longer.
Robert Montgomery wrote:
> How can I save on ink costs?
>
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
> the ink to be archival.
>
Obviously you can print in draft mode, or use one of the Inksaver
programs; however since you mention archival that may not be a option
for you.
The obvious thing is to only do a print run when you have many documents
to produce. That way you minimise the ink waste from clearing the print
head every switch-on. That can be quite a lot of ink if you print one a day.
Don Phillipson wrote:
> "Robert Montgomery" <info-block@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:Gv0Uj.920$KB3.362@edtnps91...
>
>> How can I save on ink costs?
>> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
>> the ink to be archival.
>
> 1. How is archival defined? This obviously involves paper
> and storage methods as well as ink and years.
> 2. What are you now using for ink and paper? What cost
> 3. If we know the technical characters of the ink and paper
> we might then know whether you are already saving as
> much as you can.
>
It also would help if we knew what the OP wanted to archive. Color
documents are one thing, B+W documents are another.
If the documents are that important, even with OEM "archival" ink, I'd
recommend storing a copies of the digital files on optical media, in a
different location than the original document, and I'd recommend
renewing that storage every few years. That is so the document can be
reproduced, if necessary. Remember to transfer the document to whatever
media replaces optical before you can't read it anymore, too. How many
old documents are now inaccessible because they reside on old floppies?
Paper documents are subject to more dangers than just fading, so you
need several layers of protection above and beyond the ink you use.
I think some clarity is required in your statement.
I agree that Eposn has no monopoly on higher fade resistant inks, but
not all inks are created equal either. The 2400 uses a pigment colorant
ink in a resin base. To achieve that same longevity, a similar
formulation of ink is required, and if the person doesn't wish to make
or buy ink profiles, he may be best to stick with the OEM inks.
Regardless of the paper and ink combination, no currently marketed
inkjet dye inks have the longevity of quality pigment inks. Also, paper
type is a lesser issue with pigment inks, which tend to sit on top of
the paper rather than penetrate it.
Art
DanG wrote:
> "Robert Montgomery" <info-block@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:Gv0Uj.920$KB3.362@edtnps91...
>> How can I save on ink costs?
>>
>> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>>
>> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
>> the ink to be archival.
>>
>
> 1) No such thing as "archival" inkjet prints. Don't believe marketing hype.
>
> 2) Epson inks have no special claim to longevity. Given the right
> combination of ink and paper, compatible ink may well last as long or
> longer.
>
>
On May 6, 1:24 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
> How can I save on ink costs?
>
> My Epson Stylus Photo 2400 inkjet sucks up a lot of expensive ink.
>
> I don't want to use another brand of ink in that printer because I need
> the ink to be archival.
If you want top image quality your printer is going to use
appoximently 1.5-2mls of ink per square foot. That is just how it is.
Yes you will save money by going to a third party ink, but as you said
then you don't know what the longevity of the ink is. Epson K3 ink in
Wihelm tests went from 100-200+ years depending on the paper and
storage conditions. Wihelm's standards and testing procedures are very
public, but I don't see any 3rd party inks doing them except for MIS.
Conservators will always argue over what should be called "archival",
is it a document that will last 100 years with minor care or a
document that lasts 1000 years. Paper also has a function in the
longevity of a print, RC papers are expected not to last as long as
pure fiber based papers, but Wilhelm has said there is no easy way to
test this, but he also has said he expects most RC papers to fall
apart in 50 years or so, so much for the longevity of the ink. So
archival is not a great term.
One way to save money is to go to a 17 inch printer, inks because of
the volume of ink you buy, it ends up being about 1/2 the price of ink
for 13 inch printers. You pay though for the higher price of the
printer and because of their high volumes the price of the cartridges.
It is nice to only have to buy ink once a year if you are a home user.
17 inch printers are also better built than the 13 inch models.
I am currently using a Canon iPF5000 at home and an HP B9180 at work,
I have owned Epsons in the past and have used Epsons with 3rd party
inks, so my experience here covers a lot of areas.
How can I save on ink costs? 
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