I am looking fpr a new printer for
General use - mainly text & web pages
Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
Not to expensive to buy
Reliable
Canon or HP
Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
recomendations
On Aug 27, 1:18 am, j...@ntlworld.com wrote:
> I am looking fpr a new printer for
> General use - mainly text & web pages
> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
> Not to expensive to buy
> Reliable
> Canon or HP
> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
> recomendations
The ip3300/ip3500 is basicly an ip3000 with newer inks. It takes 4
inks, where in anything other than plain paper . It's drop size is
larger, so resolution and color rendering would be somewhat lower, but
might fit your needs. Good cost per page for plain paper text.
I know less about the ip5300, in fact it's the first time I've heard
about the model. Based on prior models it should offer superior color
rendering on photos, There is the ip4500 which should be a similar
model. wider pigment black, so it should be faster for plain text
printing.
I can't speak for the hp 7160 as i've not really met one or anything
similar in that series.
HP is releasing some of the buggiest and most dysfunctional drivers and
software ever seen. Avoid at all costs. The problems seem to run across all
hardware and model lines.
<john@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>I am looking fpr a new printer for
> General use - mainly text & web pages
> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
> Not to expensive to buy
> Reliable
> Canon or HP
> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
> recomendations
john@ntlworld.com wrote:
> I am looking fpr a new printer for
> General use - mainly text & web pages
> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
> Not to expensive to buy
> Reliable
> Canon or HP
> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
> recomendations
>
<john@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>I am looking fpr a new printer for
> General use - mainly text & web pages
> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
> Not to expensive to buy
> Reliable
> Canon or HP
> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
> recomendations
Unfortunately your question had one very important inconsistancy. "Cheap
to run with the manufacturers cartridges." Kodak's new printer ads claim
that their inks are less expensive, but I haven't seen comparative studies
on cost per page of inks. The cheapest approach is to refill canon carts
with good quality bulk inks like MIS, IS, Formulabs. or Hobbicolors. Too
bad that the latest generation of Canon printers have chips on their
cartridges that create issues about refilling. I would go for a Canon with
separate color carts. I have seen the ip4200 printer on some web sites
selling for about $40. Not so easy to find now. The ip4300 is a better
printer for photos and is also being sold at pretty low prices. For the
price of this printer, if you refill your carts you will save enough that
you can disregard possibly losing your warranty. Only thing is you must
visually inspect the ink levels, as Canon has, sadly, set the firmware up to
disable the ink monitoring if you refill your cartridges.
Someone recently reported getting an IP4300 for $70, which is less than the
cost of a set of tanks and a print head. He bought 2, one for the head and
tanks.
john@ntlworld.com wrote:
> I am looking fpr a new printer for
> General use - mainly text & web pages
> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
> Not to expensive to buy
> Reliable
> Canon or HP
> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
> recomendations
If you want "cheap to run", don't buy a bubblejet printer. They are more
expensive per page than other technologies. Laser is cheaper per page,
and if you are printing significant amounts, the total cost of ownership
will be lower.
Check the prices of mono and colour lasers for the home/small office.
Your jaw may drop.
Also, I don't recommend that you use refills or cheap inks in a
bubblejet printer. They aren't as satisfactory as the manufacturer's ink
cartridges, and unless you want to risk having hassle instead of
printing your stuff, avoid them at all costs (no pun intended.)
GeoffC wrote:
> john@ntlworld.com wrote:
>> I am looking fpr a new printer for
>> General use - mainly text & web pages
>> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
>> Not to expensive to buy
>> Reliable
>> Canon or HP
>> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
>> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
>> recomendations
>
> If you want "cheap to run", don't buy a bubblejet printer. They are more
> expensive per page than other technologies. Laser is cheaper per page,
> and if you are printing significant amounts, the total cost of ownership
> will be lower.
> Check the prices of mono and colour lasers for the home/small office.
> Your jaw may drop.
> Also, I don't recommend that you use refills or cheap inks in a
> bubblejet printer. They aren't as satisfactory as the manufacturer's ink
> cartridges, and unless you want to risk having hassle instead of
> printing your stuff, avoid them at all costs (no pun intended.)
Funny, I have used nothing but quality after market COMPATIBLE inks in
our Canon N2000, iP4000, MP780, i960 and an i9100 with zero problems. I
have saved thousands of dollars over the years. My printing costs using
compatible ink might make your jaw drop. I buy prefilled BCI-6
cartridges for $1.59 each so do the math.
You sound suspiciously like our resident troll regarding the use of
third party ink. I always get suspect of people making blanket
statements like you did above regarding after market inks. It tells me
you really don't have hands-on experience with them like I, and many
other people, have for a number of years. Believe me, if they destroyed
print heads I would be the first one here to steer people away from
them. The FACT is they don't. I know this from PERSONAL experience
from several years of using QUALITY after market inks.
Michael Johnson wrote:
> GeoffC wrote:
>
>> john@ntlworld.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking fpr a new printer for
>>> General use - mainly text & web pages
>>> Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
>>> Not to expensive to buy
>>> Reliable
>>> Canon or HP
>>> Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
>>> reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
>>> recomendations
>>
>>
>> If you want "cheap to run", don't buy a bubblejet printer. They are
>> more expensive per page than other technologies. Laser is cheaper per
>> page, and if you are printing significant amounts, the total cost of
>> ownership will be lower.
>> Check the prices of mono and colour lasers for the home/small office.
>> Your jaw may drop.
>> Also, I don't recommend that you use refills or cheap inks in a
>> bubblejet printer. They aren't as satisfactory as the manufacturer's
>> ink cartridges, and unless you want to risk having hassle instead of
>> printing your stuff, avoid them at all costs (no pun intended.)
>
>
> Funny, I have used nothing but quality after market COMPATIBLE inks in
> our Canon N2000, iP4000, MP780, i960 and an i9100 with zero problems. I
> have saved thousands of dollars over the years. My printing costs using
> compatible ink might make your jaw drop. I buy prefilled BCI-6
> cartridges for $1.59 each so do the math.
>
> You sound suspiciously like our resident troll regarding the use of
> third party ink. I always get suspect of people making blanket
> statements like you did above regarding after market inks. It tells me
> you really don't have hands-on experience with them like I, and many
> other people, have for a number of years. Believe me, if they destroyed
> print heads I would be the first one here to steer people away from
> them. The FACT is they don't. I know this from PERSONAL experience
> from several years of using QUALITY after market inks.
Agreed. I've saved several thousand dollars over the years. I have a
Canon iP5000 from 2004, still with the original printhead. And I have an
iP4000 with the original printhead from 2005. I also have an earlier
i860 where both the paper feed and the printhead died within a month.
Anything that dies within a month you know is a manufacturer's lemon
because the complete replacement is still working to this day (3 years
later) with the same inks. Those are the facts from personal experience.
And when I eventually move up to the chipped model printers I will run
them exactly the same, by refilling them. No reason for change yet as my
current printers are all still running perfectly.
GeoffC wrote: john@ntlworld.com wrote:
I am looking fpr a new printer for
General use - mainly text & web pages
Cheap to run with the manufacturers cartridges
Not to expensive to buy
Reliable
Canon or HP
Does anyone have any comments on my list of printers that I have seen
reports on that are possablilties, or do you have any other
recomendations
If you want "cheap to run", don't buy a bubblejet printer. They are more expensive per page than other technologies. Laser is cheaper per page, and if you are printing significant amounts, the total cost of ownership will be lower.
Check the prices of mono and colour lasers for the home/small office. Your jaw may drop.
Also, I don't recommend that you use refills or cheap inks in a bubblejet printer. They aren't as satisfactory as the manufacturer's ink cartridges, and unless you want to risk having hassle instead of printing your stuff, avoid them at all costs (no pun intended.)
I knew there were others out their that knew the truth.
Canon IP3300, Canon IP5300 or HP 7160 
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