Staffbull wrote:
> Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
> inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>
> which ones are worth having?
>
> I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>
> any advice?
>
The R1800 is newer. Unless you can get it for almost nothing it is not
worth getting. I think the ink for that is $80.00.
On 11 Jun, 21:13, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
> Staffbull wrote:
> > Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
> > inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>
> > *which ones are worth having?
>
> > I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>
> > any advice?
>
> The R1800 is newer. *Unless you can get it for almost nothing it is not
> worth getting. *I think the ink for that is $80.00.
What would be the best A3 to buy?
What are they like to print on canvas? anyone had any experience of
doing this?
Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and do
you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment inks,
but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
also enter the used market. The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
Eposn line. Still using pigment inks, it uses a three density black ink
set for very neutral B&W prints. It appears to be very reliable, as is
the 2100/2200.
Art
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Staffbull wrote:
> Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
> inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>
> which ones are worth having?
>
> I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>
> any advice?
Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
> Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and
> do you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>
> The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
> color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
> gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment
> inks, but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>
> The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>
> Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
> also enter the used market. The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
> Eposn line.
Not it is NOT. There are more carts than ink channels. When you switch
the photo black for the matte black you need to purge and reload the
printer. It costs many dollars to switch. I think there may be reviews
in www.luminiouslandscape.com
> Still using pigment inks, it uses a three density black ink set for
> very neutral B&W prints. It appears to be very reliable, as is the
> 2100/2200.
>
> Art
>
>
>
> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>
> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>
> Staffbull wrote:
>> Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
>> inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>>
>> which ones are worth having?
>>
>> I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>>
>> any advice?
On Jun 13, 12:16*pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
> > Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and
> > do you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>
> > The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
> > color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
> > gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment
> > inks, but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>
> > The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>
> > Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
> > also enter the used market. *The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
> > Eposn line. *
>
> Not it is NOT. *There are more carts than ink channels. *When you switch
> the photo black for the matte black you need to purge and reload the
> printer. *It costs many dollars to switch. *I think there may be reviews
> inwww.luminiouslandscape.com
Art is correct. I own an Epson 2400 and it does a great job. I find
the prints better than my Canon Pro9000. The only reason I still have
the Canon Pro9000 is that it is easier to refill.
I'm so glad I rarely see Meathead's posts unless they are quoted by
someone else, since I filter his nonsense.
The 2400 does allow you to switch between a matte and a photo black, so
that with matte papers you can get a denser black. Yes, it does require
a purging process of all the inks when you switch between the two black
inks, (which could have been designed better to avoid some of that) but
because the cartridges are directly attached to the head of the printer,
and since Epson heads hold very little ink internally, the amount of ink
lost is no greater than when the printer gets a new cartridge installed
after one runs out of ink.
What Meathead is probably referring to is some of the extra wide
carriage printers which use tube to feed the remote cartridge to the
head. Some of those units can waste a fair bit of ink when a black ink
exchange occurs. The newer models have changed this process, and some
even have both the black matte and photo inks installed at the same time.
Art
If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
Aftermarketink@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 13, 12:16 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and
>>> do you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>>> The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
>>> color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
>>> gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment
>>> inks, but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>>> The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>>> Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
>>> also enter the used market. The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
>>> Eposn line.
>> Not it is NOT. There are more carts than ink channels. When you switch
>> the photo black for the matte black you need to purge and reload the
>> printer. It costs many dollars to switch. I think there may be reviews
>> inwww.luminiouslandscape.com
>
> Art is correct. I own an Epson 2400 and it does a great job. I find
> the prints better than my Canon Pro9000. The only reason I still have
> the Canon Pro9000 is that it is easier to refill.
>
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I'm so glad I rarely see Meathead's posts unless they are quoted by
> someone else, since I filter his nonsense.
I have to wade through the holee than thou many times before reading
something useful. He even responds to many posts with the premise he
knows nothing about the subject.
>
> The 2400 does allow you to switch between a matte and a photo black,
> so that with matte papers you can get a denser black.
You replace the black ink cart. There are more carts than channels.
> Yes, it does require a purging process of all the inks when you switch
> between the two black inks,
That is what I said.
> (which could have been designed better to avoid some of that) but
> because the cartridges are directly attached to the head of the
> printer, and since Epson heads hold very little ink internally, the
> amount of ink lost is no greater than when the printer gets a new
> cartridge installed after one runs out of ink.
>
> What Meathead
I do not know who this jerk is referring to. I did not read a post from
any Meathead.
They are very knowledgeable on this subject. I do not think you will
get an argument on that subject.
> is probably referring to is some of the extra wide carriage printers
> which use tube to feed the remote cartridge to the head. Some of
> those units can waste a fair bit of ink when a black ink exchange
> occurs. The newer models have changed this process, and some even
> have both the black matte and photo inks installed at the same time.
>
>
> Art
>
> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>
> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
Read luminous landscape and not trash.
>
> Aftermarketink@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 13, 12:16 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and
>>>> do you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>>>> The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
>>>> color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
>>>> gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment
>>>> inks, but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>>>> The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>>>> Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
>>>> also enter the used market. The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
>>>> Eposn line.
>>> Not it is NOT. There are more carts than ink channels. When you
>>> switch
>>> the photo black for the matte black you need to purge and reload the
>>> printer. It costs many dollars to switch. I think there may be
>>> reviews
>>> inwww.luminiouslandscape.com
>>
>> Art is correct. I own an Epson 2400 and it does a great job. I find
>> the prints better than my Canon Pro9000.
You do not compare a Canon Pro9000 with an Epson 2400. You compare a
Canon Pro9500 with an Epson 2400. Dye printers produce a more vivid
colors and the results have more punch especially on glossy papers and
many matte papers. Pigment printers produce results that are claimed to
last longer and are more fade resistant but dye is catching up. I do
not know if they are there yet.
The Canon Pro9500 gets better ink mileage and prints faster. I have
read that the results are comparable.
>> The only reason I still have
>> the Canon Pro9000 is that it is easier to refill.
That is a stupid reason. Smart people buy a printer to produce great
results not to refill easier. And the Canon Pro9000 with Canon ink does
produce great results. But without the benefit of Canon ink I am sure
the Epson 2400 with Epson ink is better.
On 13 Jun, 14:25, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and do
> you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>
> The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
> color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
> gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment inks,
> but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>
> The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>
> Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
> also enter the used market. *The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
> Eposn line. *Still using pigment inks, it uses a three density black ink
> set for very neutral B&W prints. *It appears to be very reliable, as is
> the 2100/2200.
>
> Art
>
> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
> * *I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>
> * * * *http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>
>
>
> Staffbull wrote:
> > Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
> > inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>
> > *which ones are worth having?
>
> > I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>
> > any advice?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hi, 50/50 mix of colour/B&W. landscapes mainly. I will be certainly
looking into the CIS systems as they seem exellent (if they work?)
I just need something to print off pics I take woth my Olympue E410,
as I have just got back into photography with DSLR.
thanks again
If you are looking at a CIS, I would suggest considering the 2200 or
2400 over the 1800. mainly because you will probably have difficulty
finding a 3rd party ink set for the 1800 which will be accurate, without
a lot of profiling.
The 1800 is not great for neutral B&W, relative to the other Epson
models. The 2200/2400 both are superior for paper varieties.
Art
If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
Staffbull wrote:
> On 13 Jun, 14:25, Arthur Entlich <e-printerh...@mvps.org> wrote:
>> Are you planning on printing color only, or some black and white, and do
>> you plan on going for high gloss surface or matte printing?
>>
>> The reason I ask is because, the 1800 is great for high gamut brighter
>> color work which is printed on higher gloss surfaces, and it offers a
>> gloss optimizer to even out the gloss surface while using pigment inks,
>> but it has problems creating a neutral black and white image.
>>
>> The 2100/2200 does a better job with matte prints and black and white.
>>
>> Also, be aware the 2400 is soon to be replaced by the 2880, so it may
>> also enter the used market. The 2400 is the best of the bunch in the
>> Eposn line. Still using pigment inks, it uses a three density black ink
>> set for very neutral B&W prints. It appears to be very reliable, as is
>> the 2100/2200.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
>> I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:
>>
>> http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> Staffbull wrote:
>>> Hi, I'm after buying a second hand A3 inkjet, looking like Epson as
>>> inks are cheaper to source and CISS systems aplenty.
>>> which ones are worth having?
>>> I'm looking at either the 2100 or the 1800
>>> any advice?- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi, 50/50 mix of colour/B&W. landscapes mainly. I will be certainly
> looking into the CIS systems as they seem exellent (if they work?)
> I just need something to print off pics I take woth my Olympue E410,
> as I have just got back into photography with DSLR.
> thanks again
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