monomaniac1@gmail.com wrote:
> Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
>
> Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
>
> I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> interface now.
>
> Any help?
>
If it was my choice, I'd take the 8800GTX.
For example, in this benchmark, the 8800GTX does 143.9FPS. A single
8600GTS is 55.6FPS. If you SLI them, the output could be, at best,
double that, or 110FPS. So the single 8800GTX is ahead.
While GRAW2 apparently can use the Ageia card, there are other
schools of thought on where best to do physics. For example, a
quad core CPU would be ideal, as normally it is pretty hard to
fill all four cores. A thread dedicated to physics would make a
nice thing for one core to do.
'monomaniac1' wrote:
| Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
| accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
|
| Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
|
| I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
| interface now.
|
| Any help?
_____
And what applications will you have that use the Ageia physics accelerator?
Any? And will ever reach an installed base that makes it worth developers
making use of it? (You can always add a physics accelerator later should it
become useful. A single 8800 GTX will greatly outperform two 256 MByte 8600
GTS cards in SLI, and you have an upgrade path that does not require getting
rid of two cards. And what is a cool interface worth? Even a single 8600
GTS will be more than enough for Vista interface coolness.
What CPU are you getting, and what chipset does the system use? You should
pick a system by the applications you will run and make sure CPU, memory and
graphics are balanced. Read some reviews, and if you intend gaming, look up
performance comparisons of the different graphics options for the games you
will play.
Phil Weldon
<monomaniac1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
| accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
|
| Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
|
| I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
| interface now.
|
| Any help?
|
On Aug 2, 1:54 pm, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclo...@example.com> wrote:
> 'monomaniac1' wrote:
>
> | Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> | accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
> |
> | Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
> |
> | I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> | interface now.
> |
> | Any help?
> _____
>
> And what applications will you have that use the Ageia physics accelerator?
> Any? And will ever reach an installed base that makes it worth developers
> making use of it? (You can always add a physics accelerator later should it
> become useful. A single 8800 GTX will greatly outperform two 256 MByte 8600
> GTS cards in SLI, and you have an upgrade path that does not require getting
> rid of two cards. And what is a cool interface worth? Even a single 8600
> GTS will be more than enough for Vista interface coolness.
>
> What CPU are you getting, and what chipset does the system use? You should
> pick a system by the applications you will run and make sure CPU, memory and
> graphics are balanced. Read some reviews, and if you intend gaming, look up
> performance comparisons of the different graphics options for the games you
> will play.
>
> Phil Weldon
>
> <monomani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186075321.406996.70150@x35g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> | Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> | accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
> |
> | Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
> |
> | I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> | interface now.
> |
> | Any help?
> |
I plan on getting a Dell xps 710 w/ Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB
L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
'courtney' wrote:
| I plan on getting a Dell xps 710 w/ Intel® CoreT2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB
| L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
_____
The Q6600 is certainly a good match for high-end graphics.
Unless you are going to use a 64-bit operating system the 4 GBytes of memory
may not give you much benefit over 2 GBytes.
Though quad-core CPUs certainly dominate most benchmarks, many applications
will not benefit very much from a quad core versus a dual core. The Q6600
is priced very reasonably, but it does produce TWICE as much heat as a dual
core at the same speed. If you should decide to overclock, the extra heat
would be a problem (which could be handled with improved air cooling.)
As long as you are going with a high end system, you should consider
building your own and overclocking (using an overclocking friendly
motherboard makes performance increases much easier.)
Speaking of overclocking, building your own system (or having it built)
using an nVidia 680i motherboard and a E6600 CPU could easily give you a 3.2
GHz CPU speed, and a performance exceeding that of a Q6600 at standard speed
for most applications. Ed Medlin, who post here sometimes, has an nVidia
680i chipset motherboard, E6600 @ 3.2 GHz, and two 8800 GTX SLI video cards.
I have an nVIdia 680i chipset mother board, E4300@ 2.85 GHz and one 8800 GTS
video card. You can see more posts on such systems at
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking . His system, I think, gets a 3DMark2007 in
the 16,000 range and mine gets a 3DMark2007 in the 10,000 range when I push
it.
Buying a pre-made system with a warranty has advantages, but building your
own is not brain surgery, and it can be fun.
Phil Weldon
"courtney" <monomaniac1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 2, 1:54 pm, "Phil Weldon" <not.disclo...@example.com> wrote:
> 'monomaniac1' wrote:
>
> | Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> | accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
> |
> | Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
> |
> | I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> | interface now.
> |
> | Any help?
> _____
>
> And what applications will you have that use the Ageia physics
> accelerator?
> Any? And will ever reach an installed base that makes it worth developers
> making use of it? (You can always add a physics accelerator later should
> it
> become useful. A single 8800 GTX will greatly outperform two 256 MByte
> 8600
> GTS cards in SLI, and you have an upgrade path that does not require
> getting
> rid of two cards. And what is a cool interface worth? Even a single 8600
> GTS will be more than enough for Vista interface coolness.
>
> What CPU are you getting, and what chipset does the system use? You
> should
> pick a system by the applications you will run and make sure CPU, memory
> and
> graphics are balanced. Read some reviews, and if you intend gaming, look
> up
> performance comparisons of the different graphics options for the games
> you
> will play.
>
> Phil Weldon
>
> <monomani...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186075321.406996.70150@x35g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> | Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> | accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
> |
> | Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
> |
> | I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> | interface now.
> |
> | Any help?
> |
I plan on getting a Dell xps 710 w/ Intel® CoreT2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB
L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
On Aug 2, 1:22 pm, "monomani...@gmail.com" <monomani...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
>
> Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
>
> I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> interface now.
>
> Any help?
>From experience I'd advise you that if you go the SLI route dont buy
two cards at first. Just get one and see how you like it, chances are
its going to be -more- then enough. If you really want that extra bump
in power then add the 2nd card later.
What will give you -much- more bang for the buck visually is ditching
that tiny tiny tiny 20" monitor. Spend the extra cash and get a 23" or
higher -widescreen-. You will be really glad you did.
<monomaniac1@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> Does it make sense to get a dual 256MB 8600 GTS card with an Ageia
> accelerator OR a 768MB GTX (without the accelerator)?
>
> Im gonna be gettin a Vista machine from Dell soon w/ a 20" monitor.
>
> I want kickass graphics as I hear Vista has allot of coolness to the
> interface now.
>
> Any help?
>
Get one gtx.
SLI is useless unless you run at very high resolutions (1600x1200 or more).
Vista can run without sli even on a 8600.
The interface is nice but it isn't worth hundreds of dollars for a vid card.
Aero can be run on any dx10 capable card whatever you choose.
And, from what I've read, no game uses Ageia except one or two.
Dual core and quad core processors can give 'physics acceleration' without
the need of specialized hardware.
Graphics card manufacturers are also working on physics and they give better
horsepower for the money.
Game developers prefer to use common hardware and Ageia just isn't common
enough at this time, maybe that will change but it doesn't seem like it
would.
Actually, I think it's a pity for Ageia, the idea was good but the high
price and the timing ruined them.
Todays graphics cards are 'supercomputers to be discovered'.
Ageia was just a few year too late. They would have florished in the times
of 3dfx.
On the other hand.. the new unreal tournament engine will be using the Ageia
hardware if available... now that's something to look out for
Descision, descisions, if you ask me, I won't buy an Ageia unless I'm
certain the speed/quality improvement will be devestating! And for now I've
seen nothing to support this.
"Marcel Overweel" <m.overweel@casema.nl> wrote in message
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[...]
> The interface is nice but it isn't worth hundreds of dollars for a
> vid card. Aero can be run on any dx10 capable card whatever you
> choose.
Aero runs on DX9 cards.
> And, from what I've read, no game uses Ageia except one or two.
> Dual core and quad core processors can give 'physics acceleration'
> without the need of specialized hardware.
> Graphics card manufacturers are also working on physics and they give
> better horsepower for the money.
> Game developers prefer to use common hardware and Ageia just isn't
> common enough at this time, maybe that will change but it doesn't
> seem like it would.
DirectPhysics is CPU based which means the Aegis is dead. Massively
multicore CPUs are where you'll get the horsepower in future, not expensive
specialist chips.
"DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> schreef in bericht
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> "Marcel Overweel" <m.overweel@casema.nl> wrote in message
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>
> [...]
>
>> The interface is nice but it isn't worth hundreds of dollars for a
>> vid card. Aero can be run on any dx10 capable card whatever you
>> choose.
>
> Aero runs on DX9 cards.
Thanks DRS, my mistake.
Should have know better because the beta runned just fine on dx9 cards.
>
>> And, from what I've read, no game uses Ageia except one or two.
>> Dual core and quad core processors can give 'physics acceleration'
>> without the need of specialized hardware.
>> Graphics card manufacturers are also working on physics and they give
>> better horsepower for the money.
>> Game developers prefer to use common hardware and Ageia just isn't
>> common enough at this time, maybe that will change but it doesn't
>> seem like it would.
>
> DirectPhysics is CPU based which means the Aegis is dead. Massively
> multicore CPUs are where you'll get the horsepower in future, not
> expensive specialist chips.
>
"Dennis" <dennispublic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 2, 1:22 pm, "monomani...@gmail.com" <monomani...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
[...]
> What will give you -much- more bang for the buck visually is ditching
> that tiny tiny tiny 20" monitor. Spend the extra cash and get a 23" or
> higher -widescreen-. You will be really glad you did.
Yes. A chunk of height is lost in the widescreen aspect ratio. A 23" is a
good starting point.
Which nvidia to get? 
Linear Mode
