AMD/ ATi Dx10 R600 may have some performance problems.... lots of agitatin' 'n foamin' going on......

See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
marked ostrich-symptoms. The article title is quite provocative....a
bit like a rock dropped in a pond....which might explain a little of
the agitation in the reader-replies.

http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+...rticle7052.htm

No doubt Anandtech will be doing a formal review of the R600 family
within the next few weeks. If the performance issues in the DT article
are indeed confirmed, the formal review is very likely to fully detail
the underlying technical reasons.

John Lewis

"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:46323859.4318652@news.verizon.net...
> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
> marked ostrich-symptoms. The article title is quite provocative....a
> bit like a rock dropped in a pond....which might explain a little of
> the agitation in the reader-replies.
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+...rticle7052.htm
>
> No doubt Anandtech will be doing a formal review of the R600 family
> within the next few weeks. If the performance issues in the DT article
> are indeed confirmed, the formal review is very likely to fully detail
> the underlying technical reasons.
>
> John Lewis

The 2900XT seems fine. It's the 2900XTX results that are strange.

Bob Loblaw wrote:
> "John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:46323859.4318652@news.verizon.net...
>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>> marked ostrich-symptoms. The article title is quite provocative....a
>> bit like a rock dropped in a pond....which might explain a little of
>> the agitation in the reader-replies.
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+...rticle7052.htm
>>
>> No doubt Anandtech will be doing a formal review of the R600 family
>> within the next few weeks. If the performance issues in the DT article
>> are indeed confirmed, the formal review is very likely to fully detail
>> the underlying technical reasons.
>>
>> John Lewis
>
> The 2900XT seems fine. It's the 2900XTX results that are strange.
>
>

The only comment from the Dailytech readers that makes sense ?

"I'm looking forward to a more thorough article."

It almost looks like something isn't enabled on the card.
Only time will tell.

Paul

John Lewis wrote:
> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
> marked ostrich-symptoms.


Lol... the irony meter explodes..


> The article title is quite provocative....a


No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"


> bit like a rock dropped in a pond....which might explain a little of
> the agitation in the reader-replies.
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+...rticle7052.htm
>
> No doubt Anandtech will be doing a formal review of the R600 family
> within the next few weeks. If the performance issues in the DT article
> are indeed confirmed, the formal review is very likely to fully detail
> the underlying technical reasons.


I'll be very disappointed if ATI don't whip NVidia's **** with the new
cards. ... and then for NVidia to come back and whip ATI's ****... and
then... etc etc

The more often they do that to each other the better the cards get and
the quicker the prices drop on 'last-gen' which is where I live.

Current card is a 7900GT, last one was an ATI X800XT PE. Next one will
be best bang for buck DX10 card and I don't give a toss who makes it.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:05:47 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
wrote:

>John Lewis wrote:
>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>> marked ostrich-symptoms.
>
>
>Lol... the irony meter explodes..
>
>
>> The article title is quite provocative....a
>
>
>No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"
>

Er, read Anandtech's latest article on the 8600GT/GTX video decoding.
Maybe nVidia will have the last laugh....

See:-

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977

The 8500 and 8600 are squarely pointed at BOTH the low/mid-range AND
the rapidly-expanding HTPC market, particularly the 8600, which also
integrates dual-HDCP and dual dual-link outputs. Needs only a very
modest CPU for all HD-decoding. WinDVD and PowerDVD now just need to
cure all their HD-playback bugs. At least these developers now have
the proper hardware to speed up that process :-) :-)

John Lewis

John Lewis wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:05:47 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
> wrote:
>
>> John Lewis wrote:
>>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>>> marked ostrich-symptoms.
>>
>> Lol... the irony meter explodes..
>>
>>
>>> The article title is quite provocative....a
>>
>> No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"
>>
>
> Er, read Anandtech's latest article on the 8600GT/GTX video decoding.
> Maybe nVidia will have the last laugh....


Er.. don't feel you have to defend NVidia at every turn John.

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:34:10 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
wrote:

>John Lewis wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:05:47 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Lewis wrote:
>>>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>>>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>>>> marked ostrich-symptoms.
>>>
>>> Lol... the irony meter explodes..
>>>
>>>
>>>> The article title is quite provocative....a
>>>
>>> No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"
>>>
>>
>> Er, read Anandtech's latest article on the 8600GT/GTX video decoding.
>> Maybe nVidia will have the last laugh....
>
>
>Er.. don't feel you have to defend NVidia at every turn John.
>
>

I am not.

Just setting the record straight.

These are NOT hard-core gamers' cards and never were intended to be.

There is indeed a big graphics-performance hole between the 8600GTX
and the 8800GTS/320. It will be interesting to see how nVidia or Ati
(or both) go about filling that hole. For nVidia, a binning of the G80
with only 64 working stream-processors or just a further price-cut on
the 8800GTS/320 ?

John Lewis

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:25:21 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:34:10 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
>wrote:
>
>>John Lewis wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:05:47 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Lewis wrote:
>>>>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>>>>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>>>>> marked ostrich-symptoms.
>>>>
>>>> Lol... the irony meter explodes..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The article title is quite provocative....a
>>>>
>>>> No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Er, read Anandtech's latest article on the 8600GT/GTX video decoding.
>>> Maybe nVidia will have the last laugh....
>>
>>
>>Er.. don't feel you have to defend NVidia at every turn John.
>>
>>
>
>I am not.
>
>Just setting the record straight.
>
>These are NOT hard-core gamers' cards and never were intended to be.
>
>There is indeed a big graphics-performance hole between the 8600GTX

Sorry... 8600GTS.... wishful thinking ?

John Lewis

John Lewis wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:25:21 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:34:10 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Lewis wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:05:47 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> See the following Daily Tech article and the reader-comments. Both
>>>>>> make for an interesting read, especially the reader-comments with
>>>>>> marked ostrich-symptoms.
>>>>> Lol... the irony meter explodes..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The article title is quite provocative....a
>>>>> No more so than the Legion Hardware title "the 8600GT is a joke"
>>>>>
>>>> Er, read Anandtech's latest article on the 8600GT/GTX video decoding.
>>>> Maybe nVidia will have the last laugh....
>>>
>>> Er.. don't feel you have to defend NVidia at every turn John.
>>>
>>>
>> I am not.
>>
>> Just setting the record straight.
>>
>> These are NOT hard-core gamers' cards and never were intended to be.
>>
>> There is indeed a big graphics-performance hole between the 8600GTX
>
> Sorry... 8600GTS.... wishful thinking ?


John, while continuing your original x-posting we're both posting from a
gaming group and no matter how well the 8600's perform at HTPC you
cannot deny the *600GT range have always been the mid-range *gamers*
darling since the 6600GT took over from the 9600 Pro (sweet card - I had
one) and NVidia really appear to have dropped the ball this time.

No biggie - ATI *may* whip their **** this time on mid-range but perhaps
they've had it too good for two generations (6600GT and 7600GT) and
perhaps need an incentive to up the bar. It doesn't do any Co any good
to be top of the game for too long...

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 01:10:46 +0100, Shawk <shawk@clara.co.uk.3guesses>
wrote:


>
>John, while continuing your original x-posting we're both posting from a
>gaming group and no matter how well the 8600's perform at HTPC you
>cannot deny the *600GT range have always been the mid-range *gamers*
>darling since the 6600GT took over from the 9600 Pro (sweet card - I had
>one) and NVidia really appear to have dropped the ball this time.
>
>No biggie - ATI *may* whip their **** this time on mid-range but perhaps
>they've had it too good for two generations (6600GT and 7600GT) and
>perhaps need an incentive to up the bar. It doesn't do any Co any good
>to be top of the game for too long...

True. But since the ASP of the 8600GTS is likely to settle ~ $150 and
the 8500GT around $80, then ATi has better come up something
competitive in the same range. Maybe not for you nor me, but these are
sweet spots for many PC configurations. And also remember that the
8600GTS performance is very close to that of, say, a 7800GTX/256Meg
which I have in my prime gaming machine and am still very pleased with
its performance. However, I am not constrained by requiring particular
display resolutions for artifact-free display performance, as I still
game using my trusty 19-inch CRT monitor. So, on the games that demand
more graphics performance I can freely tweak the resolution and play
with resolution vs AA if I so choose.

I agree that the mid-range Dx10 is still AWOL... the equivalent to the
8800GTS but with 64 stream-processors instead of 96. If nVidia does
not have something up their sleeve to fill this gap, it is certainly
an opportunity for ATi. I doubt if nVidia can cut the GPU chip-cost
on the 8800GTS/320 any further, considering the size of the part, even
if they binned parts with only 64 stream-processors functional.

John Lewis