Pure DOS boot disks can't see my old IDE DVD-ROM drive?

Hi!

I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514) motherboard
or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe MSI did
something different?

Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I think)
and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when booting to pure
DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe driver. I am trying to
flash my old drive with a newer firmware and it also can't find the
drive based on http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download
instructions.

I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary master
(the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs just fine, but
DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton Ghost 2003 DOS can see
it. Am I missing something? It has been a while since I used DOS boot
with its CD support.

You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt for
the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.
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Ant wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514) motherboard
> or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe MSI did
> something different?
>
> Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I think)
> and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when booting to pure
> DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe driver. I am trying to
> flash my old drive with a newer firmware and it also can't find the
> drive based on http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download
> instructions.
>
> I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
> CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary master
> (the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs just fine, but
> DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton Ghost 2003 DOS can see
> it. Am I missing something? It has been a while since I used DOS boot
> with its CD support.
>
> You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt for
> the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.

When I made myself an MSDOS boot floppy, oakcdrom didn't work for me,
but I downloaded XCDROM and that one seemed to work. And there are
other solutions besides XCDROM.

Paul

On 1/2/2009 2:19 PM PT, Paul typed:

> Ant wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
>> motherboard or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe
>> MSI did something different?
>>
>> Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I
>> think) and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when booting
>> to pure DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe driver. I am
>> trying to flash my old drive with a newer firmware and it also can't
>> find the drive based on
>> http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download instructions.
>>
>> I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
>> CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary master
>> (the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs just fine,
>> but DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton Ghost 2003 DOS
>> can see it. Am I missing something? It has been a while since I used
>> DOS boot with its CD support.
>>
>> You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt
>> for the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.
>
> When I made myself an MSDOS boot floppy, oakcdrom didn't work for me,
> but I downloaded XCDROM and that one seemed to work. And there are
> other solutions besides XCDROM.

Where are you finding these alternatives beside XCDROM?
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Ant wrote:
> On 1/2/2009 2:19 PM PT, Paul typed:
>
>> Ant wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
>>> motherboard or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe
>>> MSI did something different?
>>>
>>> Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I
>>> think) and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when
>>> booting to pure DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe
>>> driver. I am trying to flash my old drive with a newer firmware and
>>> it also can't find the drive based on
>>> http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download instructions.
>>>
>>> I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
>>> CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary master
>>> (the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs just fine,
>>> but DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton Ghost 2003 DOS
>>> can see it. Am I missing something? It has been a while since I used
>>> DOS boot with its CD support.
>>>
>>> You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt
>>> for the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.
>>
>> When I made myself an MSDOS boot floppy, oakcdrom didn't work for me,
>> but I downloaded XCDROM and that one seemed to work. And there are
>> other solutions besides XCDROM.
>
> Where are you finding these alternatives beside XCDROM?

I can see another one, GCDROM, which is for a SATA CDROM drive.

http://marktsai0316.googlepages.com/gcdromfordos

I stopped when I found one that worked.

You can find pages that discuss the topic of building MSDOS
floppies, and they'll mention other options. The DOS floppy
was part of something else I was trying to do, so what was
important was getting past the floppy stage. It must have
taken me half the day, before I had a boot floppy that
wouldn't hang in mid-boot.

Paul

http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=122897.0

IDE controller on the mobo.! I got its driver to work, but the old
DVD-ROM firmware upgrader still doesn't see the IDE drive. ****it.

Is there a way to have these old firmware updaters to work?


On 1/2/2009 1:41 PM PT, Ant typed:

> Hi!
>
> I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514) motherboard
> or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe MSI did
> something different?
>
> Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I think)
> and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when booting to pure
> DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe driver. I am trying to
> flash my old drive with a newer firmware and it also can't find the
> drive based on http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download
> instructions.
>
> I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
> CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary master
> (the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs just fine, but
> DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton Ghost 2003 DOS can see
> it. Am I missing something? It has been a while since I used DOS boot
> with its CD support.
>
> You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt for
> the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.
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On 1/2/2009 3:56 PM PT, Paul typed:

> Ant wrote:
>> On 1/2/2009 2:19 PM PT, Paul typed:
>>
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if it is my brand new MSI P43 NEO3-F (MSI-7514)
>>>> motherboard or something else. Others and I are quite stomped. Maybe
>>>> MSI did something different?
>>>>
>>>> Since I still have an old IDE Toshiba DVD-ROM drive (from 2001 I
>>>> think) and it works in Windows XP, I can't seem to use it when
>>>> booting to pure DOS boot with its old oakcdrom.sys and mscdex.exe
>>>> driver. I am trying to flash my old drive with a newer firmware and
>>>> it also can't find the drive based on
>>>> http://hijacker.rpc1.org/toshiba_nolimit/#Download instructions.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if my new MSI motherboard change the rules for using IDE
>>>> CD/DVD-ROM drives. CMOS sees the drive just fine under primary
>>>> master (the only IDE drive too) and and PC can boot bootable CDs
>>>> just fine, but DOS boot doesn't see this drive. However, Norton
>>>> Ghost 2003 DOS can see it. Am I missing something? It has been a
>>>> while since I used DOS boot with its CD support.
>>>>
>>>> You can see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt
>>>> for the primary computer specifications. Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> When I made myself an MSDOS boot floppy, oakcdrom didn't work for me,
>>> but I downloaded XCDROM and that one seemed to work. And there are
>>> other solutions besides XCDROM.
>>
>> Where are you finding these alternatives beside XCDROM?
>
> I can see another one, GCDROM, which is for a SATA CDROM drive.
>
> http://marktsai0316.googlepages.com/gcdromfordos

Ironically, the reply in
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=122897.0 said the same thing!


> I stopped when I found one that worked.
>
> You can find pages that discuss the topic of building MSDOS
> floppies, and they'll mention other options. The DOS floppy
> was part of something else I was trying to do, so what was
> important was getting past the floppy stage. It must have
> taken me half the day, before I had a boot floppy that
> wouldn't hang in mid-boot.

Ah, I didn't have that. I only had DVD-ROM drive detection.
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Ant wrote:
> http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=122897.0
>
> IDE controller on the mobo.! I got its driver to work, but the old
> DVD-ROM firmware upgrader still doesn't see the IDE drive. ****it.
>
> Is there a way to have these old firmware updaters to work?
>

My memory is foggy now, but one I used in the past, was sensitive
to where the drive was plugged in. On the old motherboards
with two IDE connectors, the drive could be master or slave on
either IDE cable. Some firmware updaters only worked, if the drive
was in a particular place (like master on the secondary cable).

Also, for questions like this, you should be looking to cdfreaks.com
or cdrinfo.com. Use a search engine like this one, set the domain
to one of those two, and search on your DVD drive model number.

http://www.altavista.com/web/adv

Paul

On 1/3/2009 3:59 AM PT, Paul typed:

> Ant wrote:
>> http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=122897.0
>>
>> IDE controller on the mobo.! I got its driver to work, but the old
>> DVD-ROM firmware upgrader still doesn't see the IDE drive. ****it.
>>
>> Is there a way to have these old firmware updaters to work?
>>
>
> My memory is foggy now, but one I used in the past, was sensitive
> to where the drive was plugged in. On the old motherboards
> with two IDE connectors, the drive could be master or slave on
> either IDE cable. Some firmware updaters only worked, if the drive
> was in a particular place (like master on the secondary cable).

According to CMOS, the DVD-ROM drive is in primary master. There's only
one IDE drive anyways.


> Also, for questions like this, you should be looking to cdfreaks.com
> or cdrinfo.com. Use a search engine like this one, set the domain
> to one of those two, and search on your DVD drive model number.
>
> http://www.altavista.com/web/adv

Thanks.
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> You can find pages that discuss the topic of building MSDOS
> floppies, and they'll mention other options. The DOS floppy
> was part of something else I was trying to do, so what was
> important was getting past the floppy stage. It must have
> taken me half the day, before I had a boot floppy that
> wouldn't hang in mid-boot.

I just use a Win98 CD and it loads DOS drivers for the CD-ROM.
I can create a DOS boot floppy from the CD and it works fine.

Tom Lake

On 1/3/2009 3:14 PM PT, Tom Lake typed:

>> You can find pages that discuss the topic of building MSDOS
>> floppies, and they'll mention other options. The DOS floppy
>> was part of something else I was trying to do, so what was
>> important was getting past the floppy stage. It must have
>> taken me half the day, before I had a boot floppy that
>> wouldn't hang in mid-boot.
>
> I just use a Win98 CD and it loads DOS drivers for the CD-ROM.
> I can create a DOS boot floppy from the CD and it works fine.

Only if you have the CD. I don't. But I did have a 3.5" boot disk from
Windows 98 (first one, not SE). It didn't work with its oakcdrom.sys
driver. I had to use a third party driver that was newer.
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