P45 Neo3-FIR Question

Hi,
what does it meen on the MSI Datasheet that the P45 Neo3-FIR is not
for Win98?
Thanks a lit
Cheers
Peter
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The Intel chipset driver does not support Windows 98.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:33:10 +0100, Peter Michel
<proORGA-Leimen.without-this@web.de> wrote:

>Hi,
>what does it meen on the MSI Datasheet that the P45 Neo3-FIR is not
>for Win98?
>Thanks a lit
>Cheers
>Peter
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Hi andy,
but i can install win98 on the board and it will work - or not?
Do i need the chipset driver? For what?
Thanks for help!
Cheers Peter


On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:55:39 -0800, andy <1@2.3.invalid> wrote:
>The Intel chipset driver does not support Windows 98.
>
>On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:33:10 +0100, Peter Michel
><proORGA-Leimen.without-this@web.de> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>what does it meen on the MSI Datasheet that the P45 Neo3-FIR is not
>>for Win98?

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Peter Michel wrote:
> Hi andy,
> but i can install win98 on the board and it will work - or not?
> Do i need the chipset driver? For what?
> Thanks for help!
> Cheers Peter

I don't see a setting in the P45 Neo3-FIR BIOS for "Compatible"
mode for the SATA ports. You need "Compatible" mode, so that
four SATA ports are emulated as IDE devices in I/O space,
at IRQ14/IRQ15. That is how Intel has traditionally fooled
Win98 into thinking it was running on an older motherboard.

For a reference on the subject of Southbridge modes, this
is a document from Intel. See Section 4.1 on PDF page 13.

http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/manual/252671.pdf

You have a second storage controller on your motherboard,
the Jmicron JMB363. But there is no driver for Win98.

ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/jmb36x/

I have been able to get Win98 running on an Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0,
using my oldest IDE disk drive for a test. The VIA chipset does still
support Win98. The Device Manager is clean (has the same problem
with a game port that WinXP does right now). There are a couple
caveats about Win98 on the newer hardware.

1) Only one core of your Core2 Dual or Quad will work. The
processor won't be fully used.

2) During the installation, you have to add an entry into
one of the Win98 files, such that only 512MB of memory
are registered. I did that step, after the first portion
of the installation, using a Linux LiveCD to perform the
necessary text edit. If you only had a single 512MB DIMM
installed in the computer, then this modification would not
be needed.

That Asrock motherboard only supports up to FSB1066 processors.
And the board is not something I would recommend to others. It
has too many issues with the quality of the BIOS work. EIST
is disabled, the clock generator is not properly programmed
for non-canonical frequencies and so on.

The above mentioned "Compatible" disk mode issue, is just the
first step. Would you have a Win98 video driver ? (I'm
using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro video card, which does have a driver.)
Would the network interface have a Win98 driver ? There are plenty
of questions to ask, before attempting the installation. You
might install Win98, only to be stuck with a screen resolution
of 640 x 480, with no networking support.

Paul

>
>
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:55:39 -0800, andy <1@2.3.invalid> wrote:
>> The Intel chipset driver does not support Windows 98.
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:33:10 +0100, Peter Michel
>> <proORGA-Leimen.without-this@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> what does it meen on the MSI Datasheet that the P45 Neo3-FIR is not
>>> for Win98?
>
> Für direkte email rot13 cebBETN-Yrvzra@jro.qr
> oder entferne ".without-this" aus der Email-To. Danke!

Hi Paul,
thanks for support.
I think we will not get fun in this way - we where looking forward to
make it multi bootable XP, Win98, Unixware and Linux for using in the
support-line.
We see now a problem in installation of Unixware: The installation
floppy will not work (looks like no medium is in the device) but it is
booting in all the others maschine we have incl. laptops!
Other testet boot-floppies work well here.
Don't know what the fails of the Unixware-maked-floppies causes :-((
Cheers Peter
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:33:36 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:

>Peter Michel wrote:
>> Hi andy,
>> but i can install win98 on the board and it will work - or not?
>> Do i need the chipset driver? For what?
>> Thanks for help!
>> Cheers Peter
>
>I don't see a setting in the P45 Neo3-FIR BIOS for "Compatible"
>mode for the SATA ports. You need "Compatible" mode, so that
>four SATA ports are emulated as IDE devices in I/O space,
>at IRQ14/IRQ15. That is how Intel has traditionally fooled
>Win98 into thinking it was running on an older motherboard.
>
>For a reference on the subject of Southbridge modes, this
>is a document from Intel. See Section 4.1 on PDF page 13.
>
>http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/manual/252671.pdf
>
>You have a second storage controller on your motherboard,
>the Jmicron JMB363. But there is no driver for Win98.
>
>ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/jmb36x/
>
>I have been able to get Win98 running on an Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0,
>using my oldest IDE disk drive for a test. The VIA chipset does still
>support Win98. The Device Manager is clean (has the same problem
>with a game port that WinXP does right now). There are a couple
>caveats about Win98 on the newer hardware.
>
>1) Only one core of your Core2 Dual or Quad will work. The
> processor won't be fully used.
>
>2) During the installation, you have to add an entry into
> one of the Win98 files, such that only 512MB of memory
> are registered. I did that step, after the first portion
> of the installation, using a Linux LiveCD to perform the
> necessary text edit. If you only had a single 512MB DIMM
> installed in the computer, then this modification would not
> be needed.
>
>That Asrock motherboard only supports up to FSB1066 processors.
>And the board is not something I would recommend to others. It
>has too many issues with the quality of the BIOS work. EIST
>is disabled, the clock generator is not properly programmed
>for non-canonical frequencies and so on.
>
>The above mentioned "Compatible" disk mode issue, is just the
>first step. Would you have a Win98 video driver ? (I'm
>using an ATI Radeon 9800Pro video card, which does have a driver.)
>Would the network interface have a Win98 driver ? There are plenty
>of questions to ask, before attempting the installation. You
>might install Win98, only to be stuck with a screen resolution
>of 640 x 480, with no networking support.
>
> Paul
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:55:39 -0800, andy <1@2.3.invalid> wrote:
>>> The Intel chipset driver does not support Windows 98.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:33:10 +0100, Peter Michel
>>> <proORGA-Leimen.without-this@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> what does it meen on the MSI Datasheet that the P45 Neo3-FIR is not
>>>> for Win98?
>>
>> Für direkte email rot13 cebBETN-Yrvzra@jro.qr
>> oder entferne ".without-this" aus der Email-To. Danke!

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