Office 2007 toolbar... again

I'm sure I'm not the only one having installed Office 2007 only to find the
new UI difficult to say the least. There seems to be a number of software
vendors selling an Office 2003 toolbar but it makes me wonder why Microsoft
doesn't offer this as part of Office itelf, i.e let the user decide between
old classic style (2003) or new 2007 style UI. With this new UI I can't
imagine why a large entereprise would ever go to 2007 given the huge support
issues this would cause. Come on Microsoft, can you please give the users
back the choice.

"Neale" <Neale@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm sure I'm not the only one having installed Office 2007 only to find
> the
> new UI difficult to say the least. There seems to be a number of software
> vendors selling an Office 2003 toolbar but it makes me wonder why
> Microsoft
> doesn't offer this as part of Office itelf, i.e let the user decide
> between
> old classic style (2003) or new 2007 style UI. With this new UI I can't
> imagine why a large entereprise would ever go to 2007 given the huge
> support
> issues this would cause. Come on Microsoft, can you please give the users
> back the choice.
>
>


Give it time - you'll find that as you get used to it, that the ribbon is
more intuitive than the old "menu" system....IMHO....

oxymoron, more intuative stuff need less time

the ribbon designer needs a slap in the face for that stupid idea
one slap from each angry office user

--
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CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free



"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Neale" <Neale@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:60137F46-2FA6-4D0F-873F-8FCCA33C8F0C@microsoft.com...
>> I'm sure I'm not the only one having installed Office 2007 only to find
>> the
>> new UI difficult to say the least. There seems to be a number of
>> software
>> vendors selling an Office 2003 toolbar but it makes me wonder why
>> Microsoft
>> doesn't offer this as part of Office itelf, i.e let the user decide
>> between
>> old classic style (2003) or new 2007 style UI. With this new UI I can't
>> imagine why a large entereprise would ever go to 2007 given the huge
>> support
>> issues this would cause. Come on Microsoft, can you please give the
>> users
>> back the choice.
>>
>>
>
>
> Give it time - you'll find that as you get used to it, that the ribbon is
> more intuitive than the old "menu" system....IMHO....
>

"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
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> oxymoron, more intuative stuff need less time
>
There's ALWAYS a learning curve when using new software, pillock.....

there is a learning curve that accelarates you to faster results after you
master it
and there is a learning curve that is always a steep climb because the
system is badly designed.

You have no idea how many people say that the ribbon interface is slower

its not about adaption.. its about how the human brain works and recalls
information.

Can you say User -unfriendly?


in this perspective the ribbon is a monstrosity.

Bad design. Period.

--
50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free



"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
> news:47be8939$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> oxymoron, more intuative stuff need less time
>>
> There's ALWAYS a learning curve when using new software, pillock.....
>

I've been using the Ribbon for 7 months or so. I still cannot find
things on it and consequently have to waste time hunting. About 3
months ago I added AddInTools so as to give me some hope of finding
things, though I try using the ribbon as much as I can. I am a power
user and use control keys a lot of the time.

Talking to other users, it seems that people that are new to Office
and those that only use it occasionally (and never learned the old
interface) generally do like the ribbon better. But most of the power
users that I know are having problems adapting. Must just had the all
the Office 2003 toolbars that they regularly needed always visible and
are being annoyed having to jump between the ribbon bars. Oh yes, they
can add functions to the quick bar, but not the dozens that they
regularly use.

This is just my ranting.
Brian

"On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
news:47bef2ab$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> there is a learning curve that accelarates you to faster results
> after you master it
> and there is a learning curve that is always a steep climb because
> the system is badly designed.
>
> You have no idea how many people say that the ribbon interface is
> slower
>
> its not about adaption.. its about how the human brain works and
> recalls information.
>
> Can you say User -unfriendly?
>
>
> in this perspective the ribbon is a monstrosity.
>
> Bad design. Period.
>
> --
> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>
> CHORUS:
>
> You just format the drive , Clive
> Get a New Mac , Jack
> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
> Just get yourself free
> Boot from a *nix, Jix
> You don't need to discuss much
> Install XP, Lee
> And get yourself free
>
>
>
> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fpmrkq$sft$1@news.mixmin.net...
>> "On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
>> news:47be8939$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> oxymoron, more intuative stuff need less time
>>>
>> There's ALWAYS a learning curve when using new software,
>> pillock.....
>>
>
>

Newbie users also like the old way better.. its more natural and I will
explain why

with the old way you could remember a sequence of events to get to your
target,
retain that sequence mentally in a verbal format, even giving instructions
was easier...

The human brain works by retaining memory in a sequence. In fact people can
recall huge amounts of
data, whole books, if this information is in sequences.

now with the ribbon, there is no sequence to be found, only one step, "go to
tab" and then look around trying to hunt down the icon on the tab scanning
visually, and trying to use memory to remember a location....

What does this tell us about the idiots who designed the ribbon? They have
no frikin idea what they were doing! Probably some young "designer" fresh
from collage, who doesn't know skit about how the human brain works.

Adding to that disaster is when you have to combine functions that are in
various tabs in order to get a result...

The ribbon slows everyone down, those who claim that it doesn't, were never
fast even with the old menus and toolbars.. lol

--
50 Ways to leave your Vista....

CHORUS:

You just format the drive , Clive
Get a New Mac , Jack
Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Boot from a *nix, Jix
You don't need to discuss much
Install XP, Lee
And get yourself free



"Another Brian" <notbrian@somewhere.nocom> wrote in message
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> I've been using the Ribbon for 7 months or so. I still cannot find things
> on it and consequently have to waste time hunting. About 3 months ago I
> added AddInTools so as to give me some hope of finding things, though I
> try using the ribbon as much as I can. I am a power user and use control
> keys a lot of the time.
>
> Talking to other users, it seems that people that are new to Office and
> those that only use it occasionally (and never learned the old interface)
> generally do like the ribbon better. But most of the power users that I
> know are having problems adapting. Must just had the all the Office 2003
> toolbars that they regularly needed always visible and are being annoyed
> having to jump between the ribbon bars. Oh yes, they can add functions to
> the quick bar, but not the dozens that they regularly use.
>
> This is just my ranting.
> Brian
>
> "On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
> news:47bef2ab$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> there is a learning curve that accelarates you to faster results after
>> you master it
>> and there is a learning curve that is always a steep climb because the
>> system is badly designed.
>>
>> You have no idea how many people say that the ribbon interface is slower
>>
>> its not about adaption.. its about how the human brain works and recalls
>> information.
>>
>> Can you say User -unfriendly?
>>
>>
>> in this perspective the ribbon is a monstrosity.
>>
>> Bad design. Period.
>>
>> --
>> 50 Ways to leave your Vista....
>>
>> CHORUS:
>>
>> You just format the drive , Clive
>> Get a New Mac , Jack
>> Y'don't need that crap toy, Roy
>> Just get yourself free
>> Boot from a *nix, Jix
>> You don't need to discuss much
>> Install XP, Lee
>> And get yourself free
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:fpmrkq$sft$1@news.mixmin.net...
>>> "On the Bridge" <OntheBridge@1701.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47be8939$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> oxymoron, more intuative stuff need less time
>>>>
>>> There's ALWAYS a learning curve when using new software, pillock.....
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Gordon, I don't WANT to give it more time. I am not interested in learning a
non-intuitive, counterproductive, clunky interface that the stupid "Ribbon"
represents. I do have several other items on my plate which take much higher
priority than wanting to learn a ridiculous new interface.

IMO, this is sheer arrogance on MS's part to think the users will simply
accept the new "Ribbon" meekly.

OnTheBridge, I quite agree with your idea about the slaps for the
designer(s) of that stupid Ribbon. However, I'd recommend that the "slap" be
in their respective pocketbooks as well.

-- Gemini

"Gordon" wrote:

> "Neale" <Neale@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:60137F46-2FA6-4D0F-873F-8FCCA33C8F0C@microsoft.com...
> > I'm sure I'm not the only one having installed Office 2007 only to find
> > the
> > new UI difficult to say the least. There seems to be a number of software
> > vendors selling an Office 2003 toolbar but it makes me wonder why
> > Microsoft
> > doesn't offer this as part of Office itelf, i.e let the user decide
> > between
> > old classic style (2003) or new 2007 style UI. With this new UI I can't
> > imagine why a large entereprise would ever go to 2007 given the huge
> > support
> > issues this would cause. Come on Microsoft, can you please give the users
> > back the choice.
> >
> >
>
>
> Give it time - you'll find that as you get used to it, that the ribbon is
> more intuitive than the old "menu" system....IMHO....
>
>
>

"Gemini" <Gemini@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E269C5A9-6F57-4D3B-8FEC-D9961B007C7D@microsoft.com...
> Gordon, I don't WANT to give it more time. I am not interested in learning
> a
> non-intuitive, counterproductive, clunky interface that the stupid
> "Ribbon"
> represents. I do have several other items on my plate which take much
> higher
> priority than wanting to learn a ridiculous new interface.

I'm an ADVANCED Excel user, and I just, err, sort of USED it.....

Gordon, as regards Excel, I'm usually described as an ADVANCED user as well.
I've been using Office apps for more years than I care to remember.

However, I'm not the kind that meekly accepts whatever MS decides to dish
out. I shall be going back to Office 2003. Once I figure out how to convert
my trusty macros to OpenOffice, that's most probably what I'll use to replace
MS Office, rather than be forced to spend time learning the ridiculous
"Ribbon".

-- Gemini

"Gordon" wrote:

> "Gemini" <Gemini@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E269C5A9-6F57-4D3B-8FEC-D9961B007C7D@microsoft.com...
> > Gordon, I don't WANT to give it more time. I am not interested in learning
> > a
> > non-intuitive, counterproductive, clunky interface that the stupid
> > "Ribbon"
> > represents. I do have several other items on my plate which take much
> > higher
> > priority than wanting to learn a ridiculous new interface.
>
> I'm an ADVANCED Excel user, and I just, err, sort of USED it.....
>
>
>