In the first place, 60C is about 150F. I simply do not see ANY hard
drive, of ANY laptop (or netbook) getting THAT hot.
In the second place, sure, the drive DOES have a temperature sensor, and
it does record the highest temperature recorded. But, relative to the
comment below: "Now that Seagate has it, they can make it read anything
they want too" ...
Think about this for a minute: Last week, Newegg was selling Seagate
500GB 7,200 rpm laptop (2.5" sata) drives for $99. RETAIL. Just how
much time do you think that Seagate is going to put into analyzing a
drive the comes back "defective"? The usual answer is zero. If it
comes back defective, and it's in warranty, the customer gets sent a
refurb drive. Then this drive goes to the shop to be refurbed (after
which it will go out to someone else as a replacement). It's not cost
effective to spend even 15 to 30 minutes looking at drives that sell for
less than $100 to see if there is grounds to deny a warranty.
BillW50 wrote:
>
> So I see a big problem here. Most customers are not going to have a clue
> what this reads when they send the drive back to Seagate. Now that
> Seagate has it, they can make it read anything they want too. And turn
> around and claim that *you* mistreated it.
>
> Sorry, I have seen how Seagate operates for over 20 years now. And it is
> true that some of their drives are indeed very good. But they have
> proved lousy when it comes to warranty.
>
Barry Watzman wrote on Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:22:17 -0400:
> Much of this discussion does not make sense.
Reminds me of when you told everybody don't worry about upgrading your
2.5 inch drives because they only draw 500ma max. That is after I told
people that as an electronic engineer, I have to spec 2.5 inch hardware
designs for just over 2000ma.
Well I couldn't find many specs for drives, so I couldn't say much. But
later I found out that those original HDD in my '06 Gateway laptops,
SMART claims they draw just over 2000ma. So much of your claim that HDD
doesn't draw more than 500ma, eh?
> In the first place, 60C is about 150F. I simply do not see ANY hard
> drive, of ANY laptop (or netbook) getting THAT hot.
>
> In the second place, sure, the drive DOES have a temperature sensor, and
> it does record the highest temperature recorded. But, relative to the
> comment below: "Now that Seagate has it, they can make it read anything
> they want too" ...
>
> Think about this for a minute: Last week, Newegg was selling Seagate
> 500GB 7,200 rpm laptop (2.5" sata) drives for $99. RETAIL. Just how
> much time do you think that Seagate is going to put into analyzing a
> drive the comes back "defective"? The usual answer is zero. If it
> comes back defective, and it's in warranty, the customer gets sent a
> refurb drive. Then this drive goes to the shop to be refurbed (after
> which it will go out to someone else as a replacement). It's not cost
> effective to spend even 15 to 30 minutes looking at drives that sell for
> less than $100 to see if there is grounds to deny a warranty.
>
>
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>>
>> So I see a big problem here. Most customers are not going to have a
>> clue what this reads when they send the drive back to Seagate. Now
>> that Seagate has it, they can make it read anything they want too. And
>> turn around and claim that *you* mistreated it.
>>
>> Sorry, I have seen how Seagate operates for over 20 years now. And it
>> is true that some of their drives are indeed very good. But they have
>> proved lousy when it comes to warranty.
Back in the late '80's, there was a company making external HDD for
Commodore computers. The Internet wasn't big back then, but BBS were.
Many of them were ran on Commodores. And this company sold tens of
thousands of these external HDD. And all of them were Seagates. Well a
few months went by and tens of thousands of these things were failing.
It turned out that Seagate had used too much oil on the platters. And
when you spin a disc, the oil migrates to the outer track. Right where
the head parks. So starting up cold, the head, oil, and platter would be
sort of stuck together. And the motor would burn out trying to spin the
stuck platter. I believe they called this striction.
These external HDD were expensive. The major cost was the Seagate HDD
themselves. I seem to recall a price of like $800+. So these things were
not cheap. So lots of angry customers. The company couldn't afford to
replace tens of thousands of drives and Seagate said it wasn't their
problem. Contact the manufacture.
Well the company went belly up, and tens of thousands of customers got
*******. And Seagate got off scot free by selling defective HDD. Seagate
continued this game all the way to this day AFAIK.
Companies like Seagate who sells HDD that are defective and won't do
anything after you get *******, are companies I don't trust. But you can
support them if you like too Barry, I don't care. As they have stolen
too much money from us good people already.
--
Bill
Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03)
Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf, or
the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma, because
that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older drives that do
draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is between 800 and 900ma.
Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hc24mh$cht$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf, or
> the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma,
> because that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older drives
> that do draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is between 800
> and 900ma.
I just popped two in and checked them. Both manufactured in 2005. The
Hitachi even says 5V 1.0A right on the label. Go figure.
1. I didn't say that there were none
2. I did say that "here are more older drives that do draw a bit more"
Two drives doesn't prove anything, either way.
BillW50 wrote:
> Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:hc24mh$cht$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf, or
>> the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma,
>> because that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older drives
>> that do draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is between 800
>> and 900ma.
>
> I just popped two in and checked them. Both manufactured in 2005. The
> Hitachi even says 5V 1.0A right on the label. Go figure.
>
> Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04-0 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (940ma)
> Fujitsu MHV2060AT 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (1100ma)
>
In news:hc2u8g$ddl$2@news.eternal-september.org,
Barry Watzman typed on Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:33:02 -0400:
> 1. I didn't say that there were none
> 2. I did say that "here are more older drives that do draw a bit
> more"
> Two drives doesn't prove anything, either way.
You are missing my point. First off, I don't consider drives
manufactured in 2005 as old drives yet, do you? I do have three newer
drives:
WD1200BEVE 5400rpm 120GB (08 APR 2008)
WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
And they all say 5V 0.55A. So that is five 2.5 inch drives that all use
more than 500ma. And I don't have any 2.5 inch drives at all in my
collection that uses 500ma or less. And I do use some of them in USB
enclosures as well. And I don't have any USB power problems from them
even using one USB port.
On a side note about USB power. I have two no-name DVD slimline burners
from China that does something interesting. When I plug them into any
one of my netbooks, the power blinks out for about 200ms and they
reboot. This doesn't happen on my Gateways. Nor does other USB devices
including my Samsung slimline DVD burner. So I don't know how much of a
surge those no-name burners draw, but it must be a lot.
> BillW50 wrote:
>> Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:hc24mh$cht$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf,
>>> or the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma,
>>> because that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older
>>> drives that do draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is
>>> between 800 and 900ma.
>>
>> I just popped two in and checked them. Both manufactured in 2005. The
>> Hitachi even says 5V 1.0A right on the label. Go figure.
>>
>> Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04-0 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (940ma)
>> Fujitsu MHV2060AT 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (1100ma)
Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
> In news:hc2u8g$ddl$2@news.eternal-september.org,
> Barry Watzman typed on Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:33:02 -0400:
>> 1. I didn't say that there were none
>> 2. I did say that "here are more older drives that do draw a bit
>> more"
>> Two drives doesn't prove anything, either way.
>
> You are missing my point. First off, I don't consider drives
> manufactured in 2005 as old drives yet, do you? I do have three newer
> drives:
>
> WD1200BEVE 5400rpm 120GB (08 APR 2008)
> WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
> WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
>
> And they all say 5V 0.55A. So that is five 2.5 inch drives that all
> use more than 500ma. And I don't have any 2.5 inch drives at all in my
> collection that uses 500ma or less. And I do use some of them in USB
> enclosures as well. And I don't have any USB power problems from them
> even using one USB port.
Don't be any more of a dick than God made you Bill.
Current Requirements
5 VDC
Read/Write 500 mA
Idle 400 mA
Standby 45 mA
Sleep 38 mA
That's for the 160GB. It's the same for the others. But only according to
the manufacturer. Perhaps you know better?
k'wit.
--
Shaun.
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's
warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
> On a side note about USB power. I have two no-name DVD slimline
> burners from China that does something interesting. When I plug them
> into any one of my netbooks, the power blinks out for about 200ms and
> they reboot. This doesn't happen on my Gateways. Nor does other USB
> devices including my Samsung slimline DVD burner. So I don't know how
> much of a surge those no-name burners draw, but it must be a lot.
>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hc24mh$cht$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf,
>>>> or the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma,
>>>> because that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older
>>>> drives that do draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is
>>>> between 800 and 900ma.
>>>
>>> I just popped two in and checked them. Both manufactured in 2005.
>>> The Hitachi even says 5V 1.0A right on the label. Go figure.
>>>
>>> Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04-0 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (940ma)
>>> Fujitsu MHV2060AT 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (1100ma)
"~misfit~" <sore_n_happy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:hc9959$mjn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:hc2u8g$ddl$2@news.eternal-september.org,
>> Barry Watzman typed on Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:33:02 -0400:
>>> 1. I didn't say that there were none
>>> 2. I did say that "here are more older drives that do draw a bit
>>> more"
>>> Two drives doesn't prove anything, either way.
>>
>> You are missing my point. First off, I don't consider drives
>> manufactured in 2005 as old drives yet, do you? I do have three newer
>> drives:
>>
>> WD1200BEVE 5400rpm 120GB (08 APR 2008)
>> WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
>> WD1600BEVE 5400rpm 160GB (08 FEB 2009)
>>
>> And they all say 5V 0.55A. So that is five 2.5 inch drives that all
>> use more than 500ma. And I don't have any 2.5 inch drives at all in
>> my
>> collection that uses 500ma or less. And I do use some of them in USB
>> enclosures as well. And I don't have any USB power problems from them
>> even using one USB port.
>
> Don't be any more of a dick than God made you Bill.
>
> From: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=312
>
> [And they should know right?]
>
> Current Requirements
> 5 VDC
> Read/Write 500 mA
> Idle 400 mA
> Standby 45 mA
> Sleep 38 mA
>
> That's for the 160GB. It's the same for the others. But only according
> to the manufacturer. Perhaps you know better?
>
> k'wit.
Hi Shaun. A Dick, eh? We will see who is the Dick! And I am going by the
label on the three drives and they state 0.55A like this one does. If
you can't read it, I'll take a snapshot of one of mine. Or all of them
if you want.
If they really make 500ma 2.5 inch hard drives, I don't have one yet.
And I got five 2.5 inch drives in the last four years.
> "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and
> he's warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchet, 'Jingo'.
>> On a side note about USB power. I have two no-name DVD slimline
>> burners from China that does something interesting. When I plug them
>> into any one of my netbooks, the power blinks out for about 200ms and
>> they reboot. This doesn't happen on my Gateways. Nor does other USB
>> devices including my Samsung slimline DVD burner. So I don't know how
>> much of a surge those no-name burners draw, but it must be a lot.
>>
>>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:hc24mh$cht$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Very few 2.5" drives draw more than 500ma. Got to newegg, or zzf,
>>>>> or the mfgrs sites and check the specs. VERY few draw over 500ma,
>>>>> because that is the limit on a USB port. There are more older
>>>>> drives that do draw a bit more. But the most I've EVER seen is
>>>>> between 800 and 900ma.
>>>>
>>>> I just popped two in and checked them. Both manufactured in 2005.
>>>> The Hitachi even says 5V 1.0A right on the label. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Hitachi IC25N060ATMR04-0 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (940ma)
>>>> Fujitsu MHV2060AT 60GB 4200rpm ATA-100 (1100ma)
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