> You know the one ****ing thing that you've written... you admit to
> using XP at both home and work. For all your fervor, you cannot
> function without XP.
Yup.
Back before programmers did much for Windows, I spent countless
hours dwelling on the OS. Now, got my hands full pushing my system
to do neat things. Don't need to mess with it anymore (except
maybe for speech which IMO should already be a solidly functional
part of the OS), got lots of applications to play with.
> Don't step up if you can't hit the ball.
.... or without even bringing a bat.
> Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers
> for Windows
Yup, and for writing applications. You get what you pay for.
>> If you don't want to do that, I can state categorically that the
>> support you will receive for linux on newsgroups and forums is
>> much more accurate and detailed than that provided on Windows
>> groups,
You get nowhere fast.
>> The latest distros of linux will run on a Pentium-1, will Vista?
>
> It doesn't need to, it supports modern hardware.
>> If you don't do kernel updates in linux, you don't need to reboot at
>
> myth
Not a myth. The only time i ever reboot my linux box is after a kernel
update.
>> Linux is about choice, something you don't get with Windows!
>
> I made the choice to use an OS that allows me to do everything I need to
> do without constantly fiddling with it. XP is a means to an end, not my
> hobby.
And I made a choice to use an OS that allows me to do everything I need
to do without constantly fiddling with it. SUSE 10.3x64 is that OS.
>> With Windows, everyone is forced to use the same thing.
>
> linux is a hobby OS,
Which is why the majority of the servers on the internet run on it.....
the internet must be just one big hobby to you!!!
> people who like excuses to fiddle with their
> computer in their spare time like linux because it keeps them out of the
> sun.
I have to fiddle with mine a LOT less now than when I _used_ _to_ run
Windows at home.
>>>> Name me an application, any application, and I should be able to
>>>> find a FREE linux alternative that will do the same thing as an
>>>> expensive Windoze version.
>>> Usenet binary application. Professional level vector graphics
>>> program.
>> The first example that springs instantly to mind for Usenet binaries
>> is Pan (http://freshmeat.net/projects/pan/). There are lots of
>> others.
>>
>> I don't work with vector graphics so don't know any off the top
>
> Don't step up if you can't hit the ball.
You're an idiot. Could you name an equivalent Windows program for every
conceivable linux program out there?
> Pan is a piece of **** and
> sucks for binaries. It was obvious you would name it since it's the only
> newsreader for linux that works.
Is that a fact. So, the very idea that I'm using the linux version of
Thunderbird at the moment to post to this newsgroup must baffle you. I
could have used Knode, but I prefer Thunderbird.
> You couldn't even name one professional
> level vector graphics app.
True, but that is only because I don't use professional level vector
graphics apps (or non-professional ones either). Maybe you do so it is
of interest to you (it's not to me), or maybe you just think you know
everything about everything..... people like that tend to be hateful
bar-stewards who think they know it all but tend to know very little!!
>> The reason hardware gets obsoleted so quickly is because every
>> release of a Microsoft OS is more bloated than the last which forces
>
> Somehow you've gotten this far in life without understanding how
> business works... what is the average lifespan of tech products and I'm
> not just referring to computers? Not very long if you haven't noticed.
> Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers for
> Windows so that Windows users can take advantage of new technology
> before it becomes obsolete.
Somehow you've gotten this far in life without understanding that
electronics can last a very long time. Eg, my stereo which is now 15
years old and gets used every day still sounds better than most 'new'
things on the market. I have no intention of changing it unless there
is a very good reason. By the same token, computer hardware can be used
for longer with linux due to the FACT that current versions of linux
will run at a sensible speed on older hardware, unlike Vista.
>> That was years ago..... try naming me something that is not supported
>> in the latest linux distros today! USB mice? Wireless mice?
>> graphics cards? firewire? Yup, yup, yup and yup. Linux had native
>> S-ATA support on their install discs before Microsoft had!!
>
> Well, linux is in a constant state of repair so new install discs are
> created weekly.
You really don't know much about linux, do you? New install discs
created weekly? Care to provide some evidence of that? Pick any distro
and give me a link to a distro that releases STABLE discs weekly. Yes,
there are DEVELOPMENTAL versions that get updated regularly, but those
are alpha and beta and not intended for operational use. That is no
different to when Microsoft released the Longhorn beta versions of Vista.
As for linux being in a constant state of repair..... so is you beloved
Windows! Windows NT4 had SEVEN service packs (the last one fixed almost
300 bugs!!![1]), Win2K had (I think) FOUR service packs and now WinXP is
on its THIRD service pack. So, the three latest versions of Windows
have had at least *14* service packs.
>> complete. Try installing XP or Vista from scratch, install all the
>
> I have to admit, you are correct. Linux does install very easily and the
> process beats MS in every way. God forbid when something inevitably
> breaks, but the install is truly brilliant.
Wow, you're agreeing with something I said?
>> If you don't want to do that, I can state categorically that the
>> support you will receive for linux on newsgroups and forums is much
>> more accurate and detailed than that provided on Windows groups,
>
> You're insane, not even close. linux support is the absolute worst
> feature about it. If something breaks its usually easier for a new user
> to reinstall than figure out to fix it.
Reinstalling is the domain of a Windows based operating system. I have
ALWAYS been able to get my linux box working 100% again after _I_ did
something stupid, but I have lost count of the number of times I've had
to reinstall Windows before I switched to linux.
>> You are a Microsoft fanboy and I claim my $5.
>
> Oh no! First I was a troll, now a fanboy...
Maybe you're both.... oh no, a fanboy troll, that is the worst type of
troll
>> As I said further up, I don't use cheap hardware and when I did use
>> Windows the machine was swept regularly for 'nasties' (which is
>> additional support time that is not required for linux).
>
> And yet you have an unstable machine, or you so you claim. Maybe the
> stability problems are in your head. Next time you crash post here about
> it and you might learn something.
There won't be a next time because I don't use Windows at home. That is
one 'feature' that I am glad I no longer have to deal with now that I
use linux. My machine is now rock solid stable unlike when Windows was
installed on the IDENTICAL hardware!
>> You'd install Vista on my hardware to make it slower?
>
> I bet you jerk off during those mac commercials.
Nope, I think Macs suck, but that's a different subject entirely
So, you're not denying that Vista makes a computer run slower?
>> The latest distros of linux will run on a Pentium-1, will Vista?
>
> It doesn't need to, it supports modern hardware.
>>>> I have MORE time to get out in the sun and to meet my neighbors.
>>> As if.
>> And your evidence to the contrary?
>
> Hmmm, lets look our post count over the weekend.
>
> Me = zero, because I was out planting my garden, went to barbeque
>
> You = a bunch, guess you were camped out spreading your linux mythology
> and trolling hardware groups or maybe trying to get your mouse to work
> in linux, who knows.
LOL. I'm a quick typist. It doesn't take long to rip you comments to
shreds. I see it as a break from doing real work
John Doe wrote:
> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>
>> Mac Cool wrote:
>>
>>> linux is a hobby OS
>> That is a very limited view. I believe you are uninformed.
>
> Linux is a server OS. For PC users, it's pretty much useless since
> it requires dual booting to Windows anyway. I do efficiency, so
> running Linux and the required Windows too isn't my idea of fun.
Is that another one of your 'facts'?.... then it's strange I'm not using
it on a server but on my desktop and it does everything that Windows
used to do for me.... sounds like you are uninformed too!
Speaking of uninformed and facts...... have you found any evidence yet
to back up your statement that a E6850 is faster then a Q6600 when both
are clocked at 3GHz, both use Conroe cores, both have 9x multipliers,
but the Q6600 has twice as many processing cores? Misinformed?
Absolutely you are!
John Doe wrote:
> class_a <class_a@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Linux is about choice,
>
> You are an ignorant troll. The personal computer operating system
> (Windows) is a standard programmers write to. Programmers and
> comsumers chose Windows to begin with, and now Windows is entrenched
> and there is no practical way to choose anything else.
But who says the most popular is the best? Remember VHS versus Betamax?
Betamax was the better standard but due to some 'interesting' business
decisions VHS became more popular.
As soon as Microsoft stops their anti-competitive practices (which has
now cost them BILLIONS in fines and legal fees) and stop forcing OEMs to
install Windows if they want volume pricing discounts, then that is the
day Microsoft will fall. If people had to pay full retail price and
install the OS themselves, then Microsoft would not be in the position
they are today. Microsoft knows this which is the reason they continue
with their anti-competitive practices and why they continue to have
court cases against them which levy HUGE fines. May those fines should
be distributed to Microsofts competitors to stimulate competition.....
> To help you
> get a clue and do more than just spew nonsense, read the Microsoft
> versus Department of Justice anti-trust trial district/appeals court
> documents.
I suppose you think Microsoft won that trial and were found not guilty
on all charges?
Mac Cool wrote:
> Claude Hopper (11) 5. ?:
>
>> Get 4 gig. It will come in handy when you convert to Linux and a dual
>> boot machine.
>
> If linux actually worked I wouldn't need to dual boot. I'll stick with the
> one OS that does work.
Linux does work. It's only computer illiterates that have problems with it!
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> Mac Cool wrote:
>> Claude Hopper (11) 5. ?:
>>
>>> Get 4 gig. It will come in handy when you convert to Linux and a dual
>>> boot machine.
>>
>> If linux actually worked I wouldn't need to dual boot. I'll stick with
>> the one OS that does work.
>
> Linux does work. It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
> it!
I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.
>> You couldn't even name one professional level vector graphics
>> app.
>
> True, but that is only because I don't use professional level
> vector graphics apps
That narrowminded logic is typical of your arguments.
> Maybe you do so it is of interest to you (it's not to me), or
> maybe you just think you know everything about everything.....
> people like that tend to be hateful bar-stewards who think they
> know it all but tend to know very little!!
But in fact, he is the original author, and you are just a troll
spewing off topic garbage.
>> You = a bunch, guess you were camped out spreading your linux
>> mythology and trolling hardware groups or maybe trying to get
>> your mouse to work in linux, who knows.
>
> LOL. I'm a quick typist. It doesn't take long to rip you
> comments to shreds.
You're a worthless troll with a big fat ego.
>
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> Unlike the linux world, people actually get paid to write drivers for
> Windows so that Windows users can take advantage of new technology
> before it becomes obsolete.
You are thinking of the way things were five or ten years ago. Nowadays
people are paid to write drivers for Linux.
Ed Cregger wrote:
> "class_a" <class_a@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_sOdnVAm2_XNh6_VnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Mac Cool wrote:
>>> Claude Hopper (11) 5. ?:
>>>
>>>> Get 4 gig. It will come in handy when you convert to Linux and a dual
>>>> boot machine.
>>> If linux actually worked I wouldn't need to dual boot. I'll stick with
>>> the one OS that does work.
>> Linux does work. It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
>> it!
>
>
> I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
> convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.
>
> Ed Cregger
>
> "class_a" <class_a@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:_sOdnVAm2_XNh6_VnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Mac Cool wrote:
>>> Claude Hopper (11) 5. ?:
>>>
>>>> Get 4 gig. It will come in handy when you convert to Linux and a dual
>>>> boot machine.
>>>
>>> If linux actually worked I wouldn't need to dual boot. I'll stick with
>>> the one OS that does work.
>>
>> Linux does work. It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
>> it!
>
>
> I have noticed that Linux folks like to keep Linux complicated and
> convoluted so that they can feel superior to others. It's sad, really.
>
I've noticed something similar, depending upon the venue. Clearly only an
idiot would claim, "It's only computer illiterates that have problems with
it!". Comments of this type are frequent on Digg and Slashdork.
If a person wants to spend a bit of time and energy with one of the more
popular Linux distros the results are often quite satisfactory. This is
not to say installation and configuration will be trouble free. A recent
install of Kubuntu 8.04 went sideways after the first reboot. A hour
later, on the very same hardware, Debian Etch installed flawlessly. This
is odd since Kubuntu is a derivative of Debian testing.
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