So, you're saying that the BBC story about the court case that cost
Micro$oft $1.4 BILLION a few weeks ago is BS? Maybe you should tell the
BBC that.
JAD wrote:
> DuH!!!
>
> I was referring to the same old line.....and you have just validated that, as those LINKS
> are no different than the links of old...........same BS different decade
>
> "class_a" <class_a@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:I96dnZW4M_lPrK7VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Nope, not from 1990, the two links below are from 2007 and 2008. The 2008 link on the
>> BBC website is of a recent court case (just a few weeks ago) that cost Microsoft $1.4
>> BILLION for uncompetitive practices.
>>
>> Did you actually look at the links before spouting off? Or are you a typical M$
>> fanboy.... spouts off without actually checking their facts?
>>
>>
>> JAD wrote:
>>> Dude,
>>> Are you cutting and pasting rhetoric from 1990? You Linux freaks are all the same. Like
>>> I said I was messing with that POS back when it had a chance. AFA govn and schools go,
>>> well have you looked at what the gov and schools do on an everyday basis? They couldn't
>>> find their collective asses with both hands.
>>>
>>> Linux: Attitude first, OS second! And thats a fact you can hold unto. class-*** proves
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "class_a" <class_a@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:l9udnf9SHrB9trLVnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> JAD wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry...was around when linux was touted the next big OS, but we all know if you
>>>>>>> were around then that, "LINUX is attitude first, OS second", and that kept it from
>>>>>>> being anything.
>>>>>> You're still around now, but I don't think you're much aware of recent moves toward
>>>>>> Linux adoption by schools and governments.
>>>>> The completely and utterly dominant position of Windows has only strengthened in
>>>>> commercial markets. And Microsoft deeply discounts the price of Windows for any
>>>>> market it thinks might be important. If
>>>>> Microsoft cares about a particular market where Linux might be
>>>>> chosen over Windows, Microsoft floods that market with cheap or free
>>>>> Windows. Linux being used by a particular school or government is
>>>>> meaningless in the big picture.
>>>> You really do talk some crap at times!! The dominant position of Windows is not down
>>>> to it being a better product but because of the underhanded and illegal tactics that
>>>> Microsoft employed to get to that position. Remember the DoJ court case in the US?
>>>> In addition to that, at least twice they have been fined by the European Commission,
>>>> the last one just a few weeks ago was for $1.4 BILLION "for anti-competitive
>>>> behaviour" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7392949.stm). You don't get fined
>>>> like that if you are complying with laws and playing nice!
>>>>
>>>> Also, linux is not just being used by "a particular school or government"..... this is
>>>> happening all around the world, google will throw up LOTS of examples if you'd care to
>>>> actually open your eyes and look for the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Also, to back up my joking statement the other day that linux is 'greener', here's a
>>>> report by the UK Government from last year that backs that up!
>>>> http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/...fm?newsid=8226
>>>>
>>>> Now, have you yet decided how an E6850 can be faster than a Q6600 when both are
>>>> clocked at 3GHz, both use Conroe cores, both have 9x multipliers, but the Q6600 has
>>>> twice as many processing cores? Just how is that faster "John"? You said it was but
>>>> have been unable to substantiate that statement which I guess just proves how much we
>>>> should believe any of the drivel you post here.
>
Alex Baumann wrote:
> class_a wrote:
>
>
>> Not at all. The problem is people try to move over to linux and try to
>> bring their idiotic Windows ways of doing things with them and then
>> blame linux when it doesn't do what they expect. Linux != Windows so
>> don't expect it to do things exactly the same. If someone, with no
>> prior computer knowledge, started to learn on a linux system they would
>> have no more bother than they do on a Windows box. You sound like an
>> ideal candidate for reading http://l
>
> Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?
What makes you ask that? Which part of my statement do you not agree with?
And to answer your question, no, they are not. Are yours?
> So, you're saying that the BBC story about the court case that cost
> Micro$oft $1.4 BILLION a few weeks ago is BS? Maybe you should tell the
> BBC that.
You seriously need to get a life.
>
>
>
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> Alex Baumann wrote:
>> class_a wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not at all. The problem is people try to move over to linux and
>>> try to bring their idiotic Windows ways of doing things with
>>> them and then blame linux when it doesn't do what they expect.
>>> Linux != Windows so don't expect it to do things exactly the
>>> same. If someone, with no prior computer knowledge, started to
>>> learn on a linux system they would have no more bother than they
>>> do on a Windows box. You sound like an ideal candidate for
>>> reading http://l
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?
>
> What makes you ask that?
Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance. This is a personal
computer users group. Even those of us who aren't happy about some
of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the sake
of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer operating
system and windows happens to be it. This isn't an advocacy group,
it's a technical help group. Schilling for Linux doesn't help
anybody here.
> Which part of my statement do you not agree with?
>
> And to answer your question, no, they are not. Are yours?
>
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In article <11097614416933.NC-AmigaOS4.anamigan@news.dccnet.com>, anamigan@home.org says...
<snip>
>
> Onboard gfx and XP on a duo MB.
>
> Specifically, P5B-VM core2duo +2G with 256M of shared gfx memory running
> WindowsXP.
Ok. You are not going to see 4Gb using Windows 32 bit OS's. It's an
addressing problem where Windows reserves the top range of memory
addresses for it's own use and only reports the free memory.
You subtract the 256M of shared memory from that and you have what's
left to be available for your programs. What windows reserve's is
dependant upon your system configuration so it's different for
different systems.
>
> I was hoping someone here had the info off the top of their head, ie.
> experience
> with such a setup to allow my curiousity to be assuaged.
>
> What I am going to do, is remove the core2duo and the current RAM and
> then
> upgrade to a Q6600 quad with 4G of matched Dual Channel (2x2G).
Whatever ram you have left to use will still be operating as Dual
Channel, it will probably be more than 3GB. If you need more than
that under Windows you'll have to go to a 64 bit system.
>
> The core2duo and RAM will then wait on a reduced cost LGA 775 MB at
> which time
> it will replace the P4 on active duty as the family portal to the
> internet.
>
> In article <11097614416933.NC-AmigaOS4.anamigan@news.dccnet.com>,
> anamigan@home.org says...
> <snip>
>> Onboard gfx and XP on a duo MB.
>> Specifically, P5B-VM core2duo +2G with 256M of shared gfx memory running
>> WindowsXP.
> Ok. You are not going to see 4Gb using Windows 32 bit OS's. It's an
> addressing problem where Windows reserves the top range of memory
> addresses for it's own use and only reports the free memory.
That's what I thought, I wasn't sure about the actual intricacies.
> You subtract the 256M of shared memory from that and you have what's
> left to be available for your programs. What windows reserve's is
> dependant upon your system configuration so it's different for
> different systems.
So, what I might have meant to ask is whether the RAM is used.
I'm certainly not short atm but I'd prefer to be locked and loaded
if I get into something a little bigger or more involved in the way of
projects.
>> I was hoping someone here had the info off the top of their head, ie.
>> experience with such a setup to allow my curiousity to be assuaged.
>> What I am going to do, is remove the core2duo and the current RAM and
>> then upgrade to a Q6600 quad with 4G of matched Dual Channel (2x2G).
> Whatever ram you have left to use will still be operating as Dual
> Channel, it will probably be more than 3GB. If you need more than
> that under Windows you'll have to go to a 64 bit system.
Got Ubuntu 64 on my other box and will probably dual boot this one
too when I install the quad. Everything below P4 2.8gHz has left the
building.
>>The core2duo and RAM will then wait on a reduced cost
>>LGA 775 MB at which time it will replace the P4 on active
>>duty as the family portal to the internet.
Found a cost reduced Asus MB, the P5GC-MX, which will accomodate
my 4300 core2duo and 2G of dual channel RAM.
John Doe wrote:
> class_a <class_a comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> So, you're saying that the BBC story about the court case that cost
>> Micro$oft $1.4 BILLION a few weeks ago is BS? Maybe you should tell the
>> BBC that.
>
> You seriously need to get a life.
So, what part of the story on the BBC website is incorrect? Did they or
did they not get fined $1.4 BILLION for anti-competitive practices? Or
are you trying to make stuff up again to divert attention from from
something that blows holes right through your comments?
John Doe wrote:
> class_a <class_a comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Alex Baumann wrote:
>>> class_a wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not at all. The problem is people try to move over to linux and
>>>> try to bring their idiotic Windows ways of doing things with
>>>> them and then blame linux when it doesn't do what they expect.
>>>> Linux != Windows so don't expect it to do things exactly the
>>>> same. If someone, with no prior computer knowledge, started to
>>>> learn on a linux system they would have no more bother than they
>>>> do on a Windows box. You sound like an ideal candidate for
>>>> reading http://l
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?
>> What makes you ask that?
>
> Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance.
Only because my comments do not agree with your twisted view of things
you think I'm a nuisance?
> This is a personal computer users group.
And linux is used on personal computers so discussion of linux and
Microsoft very much fits into the aim of the group.
> Even those of us who aren't happy about some
> of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the sake
> of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer operating
> system and windows happens to be it.
Well, this sure is a funny looking version of Windows I have on my
computer considering it wasn't made my Microsoft. The very fact I (and
many others) do NOT use Windows proves your comment incorrect (as usual).
> This isn't an advocacy group, it's a technical help group.
Didn't you say linux was too technical for normal users? In that case
you want technical discussions on here just as long as they are not too
technical?
> Schilling for Linux doesn't help anybody here.
Maybe, but it does open peoples eyes to Microsofts bully-boy and illegal
tactics that they won't get from the spotty kid in Best Buy.
> John Doe wrote:
>> class_a <class_a comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Alex Baumann wrote:
....
>>>> Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?
>>> What makes you ask that?
>>
>> Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance.
>
> Only because my comments do not agree with your twisted view of
> things you think I'm a nuisance?
No, actually I agree that your parents probably were siblings.
>> This is a personal computer users group.
>
> And linux is used on personal computers so discussion of linux and
> Microsoft very much fits into the aim of the group.
Wrong. This is a technical help group. And your aim here is
not to discuss, it's to troll.
>> Even those of us who aren't happy about some
>> of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the
>> sake of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer
>> operating system and windows happens to be it.
>
> Well, this sure is a funny looking version of Windows I have on my
> computer considering it wasn't made my Microsoft. The very fact I
> (and many others) do NOT use Windows proves your comment incorrect
> (as usual).
About 95% of PC users use Windows, troll. This is not an advocacy
group, this group is not for promoting your closet dweller, sibling
parent Linux Lunatic operating system.
>> This isn't an advocacy group, it's a technical help group.
>
> Didn't you say linux was too technical for normal users?
No, troll. Compared to Windows, Linux doesn't run personal computer
applications, that's the problem. Professional software publishers
don't write PC applications for Linux because its PC user base is
tiny.
> In that case
> you want technical discussions on here just as long as they are
> not too technical?
This is a technical help group for personal computer users. You
shilling for Linux is not providing technical help here. If someone
asks a question about Linux, then oddly you would be on topic to
reply.
>> Schilling for Linux doesn't help anybody here.
>
> Maybe, but it does open peoples eyes to Microsofts bully-boy and
> illegal tactics that they won't get from the spotty kid in Best
> Buy.
I'd like to see you conversing with someone in person. But you
probably don't spit like you do here. Nobody cares. Nobody here or
there needs the help of a Linux Lunatic. But that's a good idea, go
be a nuisance at BestBuy.
>
>
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John Doe wrote:
> class_a <class_a comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> class_a <class_a comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alex Baumann wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>>>> Just out of curiosity, are your parents siblings?
>>>> What makes you ask that?
>>> Maybe because you're a persistent nuisance.
>> Only because my comments do not agree with your twisted view of
>> things you think I'm a nuisance?
>
> No, actually I agree that your parents probably were siblings.
Who are you agreeing with? Yourself? I told you elsewhere that they
weren't. Is reading too difficult for you now or do you have difficulty
comprehending the written word?
>>> This is a personal computer users group.
>> And linux is used on personal computers so discussion of linux and
>> Microsoft very much fits into the aim of the group.
>
> Wrong. This is a technical help group.
You were the one that said linux was technical, and now you admit this
is a technical help group.....
>>> Even those of us who aren't happy about some
>>> of Microsoft's activities over the years realize that, for the
>>> sake of efficiency, there can be only one personal computer
>>> operating system and windows happens to be it.
>> Well, this sure is a funny looking version of Windows I have on my
>> computer considering it wasn't made my Microsoft. The very fact I
>> (and many others) do NOT use Windows proves your comment incorrect
>> (as usual).
>
> About 95% of PC users use Windows, troll
Now you're disagreeing with yourself.... a couple of posts earlier you
said "there can only be one personal computer operating system and
windows happens to be it". Now you're saying that only "95% of PC users
use Windows". Make up your mind, troll, either there is one operating
system for PCs or there is more than one.
>>> This isn't an advocacy group, it's a technical help group.
>> Didn't you say linux was too technical for normal users?
>
> No, troll. Compared to Windows, Linux doesn't run personal computer
> applications, that's the problem.
No, you are the one who is trolling because you don't seem to be aware
that Windows != personal computer. Windows and linux are operating
systems, the hardware is the personal computer. Both operating systems
runs applications that were designed to run on a PC perfectly well.
> Professional software publishers
> don't write PC applications for Linux because its PC user base is
> tiny.
Really? Let's just pick one topic at random for a multi-billion dollar
business. What OS do the Hollywood studios use for their animation
rendering farms? Let's see, DreamWorks use linux [1], Pixar use linux
[2] and a at least a few others [3] [4] [5].
Maybe you don't consider companies like Dreamworks, Pixar, HP and IBM as
professional? Or are you just trolling? The majority of the internet
runs on linux servers, a lot of ATC and satellite operations run on
linux because if its stability etc [6]. Care to pick another profession
to see if I can find linux used there?
You can try to disparage linux all you like, but there is a high chance
you are unwittingly a linux user yourself due to linux being embedded in
so many electronic devices these days from routers to washing machines!
>> In that case
>> you want technical discussions on here just as long as they are
>> not too technical?
>
> This is a technical help group for personal computer users.
You were the one who said linux is technical, so why can't people who
run it on their personal computers get help here?
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