I've been thinking about getting water cooling for my AMD 4200 X2, but
have been reading reviews that say they're only getting around 3 to 6
degrees lower than with fan\heatsink. My case has 5 80mm fans and one
smaller one (50mm, I think), not counting PS/CPU fans. I live in OR
where it does get hot (90 - 100+) in summer. CPU temp sits around 40C
idle. I'm a casual gamer.
Is water cooling worth the extra $$?
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Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 939
AMD 4200+ X2
2 gigs Kingston ram
EVGA nVidia 7600GT PCI-E
450W PSU
Probably not except it should be quieter than all those case fans. I used
to run a water setup and if you do it, cool everything (cpu, video, mb)
with water.
On Aug 1, 10:40 pm, Mac Cool <M...@2cool.com> wrote:
> Probably not except it should be quieter than all those case fans. I used
> to run a water setup and if you do it, cool everything (cpu, video, mb)
Ok, thanks. Next question: I currently have a run-of-the-mill CPU fan/
heatsink (fan is smaller than 80mm). Would you recommend a beefier fan/
heatsink? For example: http://www.directron.com/amdopteronfan.html
Noise isn't a concern, unless it sounds like a buzz saw. I actually
like some fan noise as it acts like white sound and helps me sleep.
However, awhile back I ordered a cooler with a 120mm fan for an AMD 64
3000 and it literally sounded like a buzz saw and didn't make the CPU
run a bit cooler than the thermaltake heatsink with an 80mm fan that
was originally on there. I sent it back. There are so many different
designs I don't know what works and what doesn't.
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:40:59 -0700, taragem <karmictaragem@2die4.com>
wrote:
>I've been thinking about getting water cooling for my AMD 4200 X2, but
>have been reading reviews that say they're only getting around 3 to 6
>degrees lower than with fan\heatsink. My case has 5 80mm fans and one
>smaller one (50mm, I think), not counting PS/CPU fans. I live in OR
>where it does get hot (90 - 100+) in summer. CPU temp sits around 40C
>idle. I'm a casual gamer.
>
>Is water cooling worth the extra $$?
Water cooling is expensive and a good choice when you need a super
quiet PC. Adding 120mm fans and slowing them down a little will
provide an inexpensive alternative. Think about improving the airflow
inside your PC (tidy wiring, removing dust, adding air vents, etc).
For a few days when the room is warm use a table fan blowing directly
onto the PC.
On Aug 2, 5:20 am, Phisherman <no...@nobody.com> wrote:
> Water cooling is expensive and a good choice when you need a super
> quiet PC. Adding 120mm fans and slowing them down a little will
> provide an inexpensive alternative. Think about improving the airflow
> inside your PC (tidy wiring, removing dust, adding air vents, etc).
> For a few days when the room is warm use a table fan blowing directly
> onto the PC.
All good tips. I regularly blow the dust out of my computer. A new
case is also a good idea. However, I just spent all my allocated puter
funds on a new mobo, CPU, vid card - so the new case will have to
wait. :P
I wanted to mod my current case by installing another fan on top,
since it appears I have plenty of air coming in, but not enough
exhaust. However, when I discovered buying a power drill and jig to
cut a hole in the case would cost $65 (not to mention removing and
reinstalling the hardware), I could buy a new case for that much.
After posting the question about different fan/heatsinks I figured I
could find out for myself by doing a bit of research. One site I
visited was:http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm
>From there I found out the differences between different brands of fan/
heatsinks isn't really that much and the ones that cool the most are
the heaviest, which makes sense since a heavier heatsink and larger
fan are going to cool more air. But more weight is going to tend to
compromise the integrity of the CPU and the best cooler's weights were
significantly over the 450g max weight recommended by AMD. It appears
it's a situation of ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't. I'm not
inclined to rip my brand new CPU out of the new mobo. In the end, a
stock fan/heatsink is going to do just about a good a job as an after-
market.
As for opening the case and using a table fan, I tried that and the
temps were lower with the case closed. So I guess my case is doing
what is was designed to do: protect and cool the components.
--
Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 939
AMD 4200+ 2.2G X2
EVGA nVidia 7600GT 256MB PCI-e
2 gigs Kingston RAM
450W PSU
On 2007-08-02, taragem <karmictaragem@2die4.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 5:20 am, Phisherman <no...@nobody.com> wrote:
>
>> Water cooling is expensive and a good choice when you need a super
>> quiet PC. Adding 120mm fans and slowing them down a little will
>> provide an inexpensive alternative. Think about improving the airflow
>> inside your PC (tidy wiring, removing dust, adding air vents, etc).
>> For a few days when the room is warm use a table fan blowing directly
>> onto the PC.
>
> All good tips. I regularly blow the dust out of my computer. A new
> case is also a good idea. However, I just spent all my allocated puter
> funds on a new mobo, CPU, vid card - so the new case will have to
> wait. :P
>
> I wanted to mod my current case by installing another fan on top,
> since it appears I have plenty of air coming in, but not enough
> exhaust. However, when I discovered buying a power drill and jig to
> cut a hole in the case would cost $65 (not to mention removing and
> reinstalling the hardware), I could buy a new case for that much.
>
> After posting the question about different fan/heatsinks I figured I
> could find out for myself by doing a bit of research. One site I
> visited was:http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm
>
>>From there I found out the differences between different brands of fan/
> heatsinks isn't really that much and the ones that cool the most are
> the heaviest, which makes sense since a heavier heatsink and larger
> fan are going to cool more air. But more weight is going to tend to
> compromise the integrity of the CPU and the best cooler's weights were
> significantly over the 450g max weight recommended by AMD. It appears
> it's a situation of ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't. I'm not
> inclined to rip my brand new CPU out of the new mobo. In the end, a
> stock fan/heatsink is going to do just about a good a job as an after-
> market.
>
> As for opening the case and using a table fan, I tried that and the
> temps were lower with the case closed. So I guess my case is doing
> what is was designed to do: protect and cool the components.
> --
> Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 939
> AMD 4200+ 2.2G X2
> EVGA nVidia 7600GT 256MB PCI-e
> 2 gigs Kingston RAM
> 450W PSU
>
>
The Zalman cnps9700led weighs 764g BUT the weight isn't all on the
my cpu (intel 6550) as the motherboard is mounted vertically in the
case. The weight on the cpu is mainly the pressure of the s clamp
on the cpu, which is definitely unknown.
The Zalman can be used with an AMD cpu but I don't know if the
pressure clamp for the AMD would "weigh" more than the unit itself.
There is some flexibility depending on how the motherboard is mounted
on the case & only you can decide whether a heatsink/fan is
worth it; still a bit of gamble tho.
I believe in Thermalright.I have them on every system I own.....and yes I am
OC'd
they work....they give you a choice of fans...and they are light compared to
some other models with less cooling capabilities http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm
You have a look and then do some research from websites that have done
comparative reviews
peter
"taragem" <karmictaragem@2die4.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 2, 5:20 am, Phisherman <no...@nobody.com> wrote:
>
>> Water cooling is expensive and a good choice when you need a super
>> quiet PC. Adding 120mm fans and slowing them down a little will
>> provide an inexpensive alternative. Think about improving the airflow
>> inside your PC (tidy wiring, removing dust, adding air vents, etc).
>> For a few days when the room is warm use a table fan blowing directly
>> onto the PC.
>
> All good tips. I regularly blow the dust out of my computer. A new
> case is also a good idea. However, I just spent all my allocated puter
> funds on a new mobo, CPU, vid card - so the new case will have to
> wait. :P
>
> I wanted to mod my current case by installing another fan on top,
> since it appears I have plenty of air coming in, but not enough
> exhaust. However, when I discovered buying a power drill and jig to
> cut a hole in the case would cost $65 (not to mention removing and
> reinstalling the hardware), I could buy a new case for that much.
>
> After posting the question about different fan/heatsinks I figured I
> could find out for myself by doing a bit of research. One site I
> visited was:http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp.htm
>
>>From there I found out the differences between different brands of fan/
> heatsinks isn't really that much and the ones that cool the most are
> the heaviest, which makes sense since a heavier heatsink and larger
> fan are going to cool more air. But more weight is going to tend to
> compromise the integrity of the CPU and the best cooler's weights were
> significantly over the 450g max weight recommended by AMD. It appears
> it's a situation of ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't. I'm not
> inclined to rip my brand new CPU out of the new mobo. In the end, a
> stock fan/heatsink is going to do just about a good a job as an after-
> market.
>
> As for opening the case and using a table fan, I tried that and the
> temps were lower with the case closed. So I guess my case is doing
> what is was designed to do: protect and cool the components.
> --
> Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 939
> AMD 4200+ 2.2G X2
> EVGA nVidia 7600GT 256MB PCI-e
> 2 gigs Kingston RAM
> 450W PSU
>
>
> Noise isn't a concern, unless it sounds like a buzz saw. I actually
> like some fan noise as it acts like white sound and helps me sleep.
If you like white noise, there is a water set up that will produce both
white noise and cool better than fans or a typical closed water system and
that is an evaporative system. Rather than being enclosed and cycling
through a radiator and fan, you either trickle the water over a waterfall
or mist it through something like a shower head or pipe in which you've
drilled tiny holes. This was the type of system I ran when I did use water
cooling. You need to add swimming pool chemicals to the water to keep it
from getting slimy and a filter helps, but the chemicals are cheap.
Occasionally you will need to add water since the system is evaporative.
If you add a fan to the system, it's possible to cool the water below
ambient room temperature.
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