Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
system?
On Aug 16, 2:19 am, "senderj" <send...@happy.net> wrote:
> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
> types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
> support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
> 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
> didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
> system?
I'd go with seagate. From what I've heard, maxtors run hot. Seagate
has been making HDs for long time and are well built.
On Aug 16, 10:23 am, george41...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:37:06 -0700, sillyputty
>
> <karmictara...@2die4.com> wrote:
> >On Aug 16, 2:19 am, "senderj" <send...@happy.net> wrote:
> >> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
> >> types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
> >> support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
> >> 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
> >> didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
> >> system?
>
> >I'd go with seagate. From what I've heard, maxtors run hot. Seagate
> >has been making HDs for long time and are well built.
>
> Seagate now owns almost every hard drive manufacturer. They now own
> Maxtor, Quantum, and most (if not all) others. Seagate has always
> made good drives, but with the lack of competition, I tend to wonder
> if this might be a bad thing. The worse drives I have owned have been
> Quantum, and now that Seagate owns them, that name is gone. But will
> their lousy drives still exist under the name of Seagate? On the
> other hand, it could just be a coincidense that I had several Quantum
> drives fail and maybe they did not make such bad drives, yet I wont
> buy another. I had a Maxtor drive that lasted 10 years and would
> still probably work if I had not knocked it off the top of my tower
> while it was running. I'd like to see some facts about drives, but it
> would all be for older ones since the newer are all Seagates, or
> Seagate owned Maxtor now. This lack of competition makes me nervous.
It is common in any commodity market for the smaller sellers to be
bought up by the larger ones. In the end higher volume makes for
lower prices. So the small get swallowed up by the large.
I don't think Seagate owns "almost" every drive maker. There is still
Western Digital who makes tons of drives as well as the old IBM which
is now owned by... is it Hitachi? Well, one of the Japaneese
companies. I can't think of other significant makers, but none of
that matters much. Hard drives are shortly going to be a thing of the
past like CRTs. They will still be made, but new computers will
mostly be using Flash memory for storage. I expect the crossover
point to be in about two years.
Let's face it, not many really need 500 GB of hard drive. In fact,
most can get by with well under 100 GB. In a couple of years you will
be able to buy a 50 GB flash drive for under $200. It will run *much*
faster than a rotating hard drive and will be a fraction of the size.
This will accompany the reduction of computer sizes so that the vast
majority of computers sold will be laptops where space matters.
So don't fret about the current state of the hard drive market. It is
a bit like weather in some places... if you don't like it, just wait a
bit, it will change!
BTW, when a company buys a smaller company they typically continue to
make the current crop of products from the smaller company. But they
don't design new ones and the production facilities are taken over and
assimilated by the Borg. So there is very little of Quantum left
except for the factory space they were using. In a year or so the
same will be true of Maxtor unless Seagate decides that the product
name has value in which case the Seagate product line may be split and
part sold as Maxtor drives.
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:36:01 -0700, nemo <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 16, 10:23 am, george41...@noemail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:37:06 -0700, sillyputty
>>
>> <karmictara...@2die4.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 16, 2:19 am, "senderj" <send...@happy.net> wrote:
>> >> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
>> >> types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
>> >> support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
>> >> 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
>> >> didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
>> >> system?
>>
>> >I'd go with seagate. From what I've heard, maxtors run hot. Seagate
>> >has been making HDs for long time and are well built.
>>
>> Seagate now owns almost every hard drive manufacturer. They now own
>> Maxtor, Quantum, and most (if not all) others. Seagate has always
>> made good drives, but with the lack of competition, I tend to wonder
>> if this might be a bad thing. The worse drives I have owned have been
>> Quantum, and now that Seagate owns them, that name is gone. But will
>> their lousy drives still exist under the name of Seagate? On the
>> other hand, it could just be a coincidense that I had several Quantum
>> drives fail and maybe they did not make such bad drives, yet I wont
>> buy another. I had a Maxtor drive that lasted 10 years and would
>> still probably work if I had not knocked it off the top of my tower
>> while it was running. I'd like to see some facts about drives, but it
>> would all be for older ones since the newer are all Seagates, or
>> Seagate owned Maxtor now. This lack of competition makes me nervous.
>
>It is common in any commodity market for the smaller sellers to be
>bought up by the larger ones. In the end higher volume makes for
>lower prices. So the small get swallowed up by the large.
>
>I don't think Seagate owns "almost" every drive maker. There is still
>Western Digital who makes tons of drives as well as the old IBM which
>is now owned by... is it Hitachi? Well, one of the Japaneese
>companies. I can't think of other significant makers, but none of
>that matters much. Hard drives are shortly going to be a thing of the
>past like CRTs. They will still be made, but new computers will
>mostly be using Flash memory for storage. I expect the crossover
>point to be in about two years.
>
Western Digital is the only company that I was not sure about.
I'm not familiar with the other one. Dont think I'd want a Japanese
HD though. I was wondering about that. The flash memory drives keep
getting larger as well as camera cards.
>Let's face it, not many really need 500 GB of hard drive. In fact,
>most can get by with well under 100 GB. In a couple of years you will
>be able to buy a 50 GB flash drive for under $200. It will run *much*
>faster than a rotating hard drive and will be a fraction of the size.
>This will accompany the reduction of computer sizes so that the vast
>majority of computers sold will be laptops where space matters.
>
I have a total of 40 gigs and only use about 15. Of course I run
Win98 so it dont use that much space. Actually, if I put all my dig
camera pics, music and saved downloads on some other media, I'd only
be using about 8 gigs. Until about 2 years ago, all I had was a 10
gig drive. The smallest *new* drive I see in the stores these days
are 160gigs. I dont know what I'd use all that for.
>So don't fret about the current state of the hard drive market. It is
>a bit like weather in some places... if you don't like it, just wait a
>bit, it will change!
>
>BTW, when a company buys a smaller company they typically continue to
>make the current crop of products from the smaller company. But they
>don't design new ones and the production facilities are taken over and
>assimilated by the Borg. So there is very little of Quantum left
>except for the factory space they were using. In a year or so the
>same will be true of Maxtor unless Seagate decides that the product
>name has value in which case the Seagate product line may be split and
>part sold as Maxtor drives.
Quantum was bought by Maxtor and Maxtor was bought by Seagate.
There is a local computer recycler. They dont sell parts to the
public, but I was able to get some because I work for a non-profit
business, and while I get stuff for the business, I get my own stuff
too. I sure see a lot of Quantum drives at that place. I never knew
there were so many in use. They are all those Fireballs in the 10 to
20 gig range. I am using one right now. but I dont trust it too much
due to past experience with them. I am going to make a clone on a
Maxtor and keep this one for backups only. I might be a bit paranoid
about them cuz I just had another one go bad last week. Fortunately
it started to work again after I removed the circuit board and put it
back. I think there is a problem with the connections on their
boards. I copied the data off that drive and dropped it off at the
recycle place, when I bought another used 20gig Maxtor from them.
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:37:06 -0700, sillyputty
<karmictaragem@2die4.com> wrote:
>On Aug 16, 2:19 am, "senderj" <send...@happy.net> wrote:
>> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
>> types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
>> support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
>> 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
>> didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
>> system?
>
>I'd go with seagate. From what I've heard, maxtors run hot. Seagate
>has been making HDs for long time and are well built.
Seagate now owns almost every hard drive manufacturer. They now own
Maxtor, Quantum, and most (if not all) others. Seagate has always
made good drives, but with the lack of competition, I tend to wonder
if this might be a bad thing. The worse drives I have owned have been
Quantum, and now that Seagate owns them, that name is gone. But will
their lousy drives still exist under the name of Seagate? On the
other hand, it could just be a coincidense that I had several Quantum
drives fail and maybe they did not make such bad drives, yet I wont
buy another. I had a Maxtor drive that lasted 10 years and would
still probably work if I had not knocked it off the top of my tower
while it was running. I'd like to see some facts about drives, but it
would all be for older ones since the newer are all Seagates, or
Seagate owned Maxtor now. This lack of competition makes me nervous.
"senderj" <senderj@happy.net> wrote in news:46c416ab$1@127.0.0.1:
> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found
> 2 types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10
> which support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called
> Internal 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The
> maxtor ones didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe
> for my planned system?
Your motherboard must support AHCI (Advanced Host Controller Interface)
if Intel based to support NCQ. You also need Intel Matrix Storage
Technology software.
The ICH5, ICH5R, ICH6, ICH7, ICH8 and ICH9 Southbridge chipsets do not
support AHCI which is required for NCQ.
If the motherboard has an on-board JMicron chip (which most 965 series
boards do to gain PATA support), it may have SATA and AHCI/NCQ support.
The trick there is to find the SATA ports on the motherboard that are
controlled by the JMicron chip. :-)
All Maxtor DiamondMax 10 and Maxline III SATA series drives support NCQ.
Good review here:
At first glance, it appears that Seagate 7200.10 SATA II drives support
NCQ, but I don't know if that's true for all 7200.10 SATA II drives.
Any standard PATA or SATA hard drive will work with Vista if it's large
enough. Vista needs 15 GB bare minimum to run but you should create the
Vista partition much larger than this - 30 to 40 GB as a general
guideline.
Happy Reading!
--
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<george41407@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:usm8c3l5dpc1nnngvvr726spg9lpk491go@4ax.com...
>>I'd go with seagate. From what I've heard, maxtors run hot. Seagate
>>has been making HDs for long time and are well built.
>
> Seagate now owns almost every hard drive manufacturer. They now own
> Maxtor, Quantum, and most (if not all) others. Seagate has always
> made good drives, but with the lack of competition, I tend to wonder
> if this might be a bad thing. The worse drives I have owned have been
> Quantum, and now that Seagate owns them, that name is gone. But will
> their lousy drives still exist under the name of Seagate? On the
> other hand, it could just be a coincidense that I had several Quantum
> drives fail and maybe they did not make such bad drives, yet I wont
> buy another. I had a Maxtor drive that lasted 10 years and would
> still probably work if I had not knocked it off the top of my tower
> while it was running. I'd like to see some facts about drives, but it
> would all be for older ones since the newer are all Seagates, or
> Seagate owned Maxtor now. This lack of competition makes me nervous.
>
I never had an issue with my Quantum Fireball, was a bit noisy though. The
only HDD's I have ever had fail have been Maxtors so everyone's experience
is different when it comes to HDD's. I'm glad Maxtor is out of the game
though as they were assholes to me when they ******* up a replacement drive.
"nemo" <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187267761.633379.228770@l22g2000prc.googlegr oups.com...
>In a year or so the
> same will be true of Maxtor unless Seagate decides that the product
> name has value in which case the Seagate product line may be split and
> part sold as Maxtor drives.
>
I hope they get rid of the Maxtor name completely because to me they
represent the bottom of the pile when it comes to HDD's. For me, I am more
trusting of the Samsung, Seagate and Western Digital names.
"Pecos" <anortRemOveThIs&2on2@phreego.net> wrote in message
news:Xns998E659D5DC07Pecos@216.196.97.142...
> "senderj" <senderj@happy.net> wrote in news:46c416ab$1@127.0.0.1:
> If the motherboard has an on-board JMicron chip (which most 965 series
> boards do to gain PATA support), it may have SATA and AHCI/NCQ support.
> The trick there is to find the SATA ports on the motherboard that are
> controlled by the JMicron chip. :-)
My P35 chipset mb has all that but I don't bother messing around with it and
always set my SATA HDD's to IDE mode. No drivers needed and the performance
difference is negligible so why bother with SATA mode?
senderj wrote:
> Looking for SATA2 300GB hard disk that support Vista and NCQ. I found 2
> types of hard disk in seagate's web site. One is Barracuda 7200.10 which
> support Vista, but no mentioning on NCQ. Another one is called Internal
> 3.5inch which support NCQ, but no mentioning on Vista. The maxtor ones
> didn't mention any of these features. So which one is safe for my planned
> system?
>
>
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