need help sharing a Canon printer on Windows 7

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:51:11 -0000, "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote:

> Hi guys n gals
>
>I have a home network here of 3 PCs - mine was Vista Home Premium 32 - my
>brother's still Vista 32 - my sister's Win XP 32.
>I have a Canon iP4500 printer which I shared over the LAN (and it was easy
>to do so) but I've upgraded to Windows 7 64bit
>and setting up the printer sharing is a nightmare. I've emailed Canon and
>they replied that the ip4500 is not a network printer (whatever that means!)
>and pointed me to a file download. No instructions were included so I
>downloaded and ran the file but I see no difference at all - no extra
>options and still no printer sharing.
>
>Obviously I've sent Canon and rather terse reply - I've got a camera,
>printer and scanner from them and this is the first time Ive had to trouble
>them for help and this is the level of support I get!
>
>Can you guys help please?

This is how I got Vista printing on an XP machine.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....07b7bb29b61a17

"Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Ingvald44" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> OK if you go to control panel, open Network and Sharing Center, click
>> "advanced sharing settings", check "turn on file and printer sharing"
>> if not already checked.
>>
>> Under Start menu, open "Devices and Printers"
>> Right click on your printer
>> select "Printer Properties"
>> select "sharing" tab
>> Check "share printer"
>>
>
> It was that easy on Vista but not on Windows 7 (or at least the 64-bit
> version).
> I think essentially I need to install 32bit drivers for this printer for
> Windows 7 to share it with
> 32bit computers over the LAN and so far I've been unable to do that.

yeah - essentially I need to install the x86 (or 32bit) drivers for this
printer on my PC
(Windows 7 64bit) but the drivers come in a self-installing exe that is
incompatible with 64bit and won't run.
Tried extracting the files manually with WinRAR and Universal Extractor but
that just gives me a
bunch of incomplete files e.g. CNB_3260.TB_ (which is useless)

Still no reply from Canon to my second email.

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:53:53 -0000, Sleepy wrote:

> "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Ingvald44" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:5f7me5pckm91ihv2e03151lid1rkcugpj1@4ax.com...
>>> OK if you go to control panel, open Network and Sharing Center, click
>>> "advanced sharing settings", check "turn on file and printer sharing"
>>> if not already checked.
>>>
>>> Under Start menu, open "Devices and Printers"
>>> Right click on your printer
>>> select "Printer Properties"
>>> select "sharing" tab
>>> Check "share printer"
>>>
>>
>> It was that easy on Vista but not on Windows 7 (or at least the 64-bit
>> version).
>> I think essentially I need to install 32bit drivers for this printer for
>> Windows 7 to share it with
>> 32bit computers over the LAN and so far I've been unable to do that.
>
> yeah - essentially I need to install the x86 (or 32bit) drivers for this
> printer on my PC
> (Windows 7 64bit) but the drivers come in a self-installing exe that is
> incompatible with 64bit and won't run.
> Tried extracting the files manually with WinRAR and Universal Extractor but
> that just gives me a
> bunch of incomplete files e.g. CNB_3260.TB_ (which is useless)
>
> Still no reply from Canon to my second email.

Don't know if this will help.

http://www.sevenforums.com/virtualiz...r-xp-mode.html

"Metspitzer" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:51:11 -0000, "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys n gals
>>
>>I have a home network here of 3 PCs - mine was Vista Home Premium 32 - my
>>brother's still Vista 32 - my sister's Win XP 32.
>>I have a Canon iP4500 printer which I shared over the LAN (and it was easy
>>to do so) but I've upgraded to Windows 7 64bit
>>and setting up the printer sharing is a nightmare. I've emailed Canon and
>>they replied that the ip4500 is not a network printer (whatever that
>>means!)
>>and pointed me to a file download. No instructions were included so I
>>downloaded and ran the file but I see no difference at all - no extra
>>options and still no printer sharing.
>>
>>Obviously I've sent Canon and rather terse reply - I've got a camera,
>>printer and scanner from them and this is the first time Ive had to
>>trouble
>>them for help and this is the level of support I get!
>>
>>Can you guys help please?
>
> This is how I got Vista printing on an XP machine.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....07b7bb29b61a17

Thanks very much for all the help guys but I've finally given up and
reinstalled Vista. Got printer and file sharing going in 5 minutes easily.
I tried doing it from my machine with Win7 64bit and it simply wouldn't
accept the Canon 32bit driver because it came as self-installer that
wouldn't run
on a 64bit system. Approaching the problem from the other end - add Printer
and manually specifiy port threw up an error message that the server didn't
contain the correct driver. Canon were utterly useless - they gave a bog
standard reply to my first email which was worthless and when I replied with
even more detail they simply didn't reply. I even phoned Microsoft and spent
half an hour talking with a very pleasant Asian gentleman in Pakistan or
India who I constantly had to ask to repeat himself because I hadn't a clue
what he was saying.

The printer problem has been a real thorn but its not just that. I have a
Digital TV card and record programs (Emma, Defying Gravity, Have I got News
for You etc) and share them. The new Media Center (which I dont like at all)
records in MTV format which wont play back on my sisters XP machine so I'd
have to convert them manually to DVR-MS format which is a chore I just don't
need. Vista comes with Movie Maker which I can use to edit out the adverts
if I want to - with Windows 7 you have to download it separately from
Windows Live. I like to see at a glance what folders I have shared but with
Windows 7 they've taken that away by removing that icon.

So I'm back on Vista and wondering what to do about my £60 coaster.

Sleepy wrote:

> Canon were utterly useless - they gave a bog standard reply to my first
> email which was worthless and when I replied with even more detail they
> simply didn't reply. I even phoned Microsoft and spent half an hour talking
> with a very pleasant Asian gentleman in Pakistan or India who I constantly
> had to ask to repeat himself because I hadn't a clue what he was saying.

I don't think the problem is with Canon's drivers. The tech guys just don't
have a clue. I was impressed that they had a 64 bit driver for my Canon
S800 (circa 2001). HP doesn't have crap in the way of 64 bit drivers, even
for newer stuff. I had the Windows 7 beta installed in the summer, but my
disk crashed and I figured I'd just wait for the release. I bought a half-price
upgrade during the promotional period, but have yet to install. I will need to
get a new laser printer with 64 bit drivers, but I really don't print much, and
I could easily share a .PDF file with another computer on occasion.

First off, in Windows 7, the default workgroup name changed from
"Workgroup." I forget what it is now. Maybe the change happened in
Vista, I don't know. Make sure it's the same on all computers.

Second, I don't think you should be trying to install 32 bit drivers on 64 bit
computers, and vice versa.

And finally, I found this thread that seems like it might be helpful:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/23...-printer-vista

I'll try sharing my Canon with my family when I get Windows 7 installed
again. I just might not tell them...

"Fishface" <fishface@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Sleepy wrote:
>
>> Canon were utterly useless - they gave a bog standard reply to my first
>> email which was worthless and when I replied with even more detail they
>> simply didn't reply. I even phoned Microsoft and spent half an hour
>> talking
>> with a very pleasant Asian gentleman in Pakistan or India who I
>> constantly
>> had to ask to repeat himself because I hadn't a clue what he was saying.
>
> I don't think the problem is with Canon's drivers. The tech guys just
> don't
> have a clue. I was impressed that they had a 64 bit driver for my Canon
> S800 (circa 2001). HP doesn't have crap in the way of 64 bit drivers,
> even
> for newer stuff. I had the Windows 7 beta installed in the summer, but my
> disk crashed and I figured I'd just wait for the release. I bought a
> half-price
> upgrade during the promotional period, but have yet to install. I will
> need to
> get a new laser printer with 64 bit drivers, but I really don't print
> much, and
> I could easily share a .PDF file with another computer on occasion.
>
> First off, in Windows 7, the default workgroup name changed from
> "Workgroup." I forget what it is now. Maybe the change happened in
> Vista, I don't know. Make sure it's the same on all computers.

Homegroup is what you're thinking of - and it only works if all the PCs on
the network have Windows 7
installed - its a completely unnecessary feature that tries to force you
into upgrading all the PCs in a home.
No I stuck with the old method of using a WORKGROUP which worked fine for
sharing folders. All the PCs -
7, Vista and XP could see each other and share files - I dont need Microsoft
Homegroup to set up a simple
home LAN.

Also - when you open Windows Explorer you see Favorite folders and Libraries
(which are essentially the same thing)
and then Homegroup and further down Network - it doubles up on stuff and is
messy.

> Second, I don't think you should be trying to install 32 bit drivers on 64
> bit
> computers, and vice versa.

Well you'd be wrong - there's a box below the Sharing section to add
"Additional Drivers"
and when you select it you then see tick boxes for 'Ithanium drivers'
(whatever those are)
'X64 drivers' (ticked) and 'X86 drivers' (unticked) - so the option to add
32bit drivers is there.

What I needed was the 32 bit drivers for my 12 month old printer unpacked in
one folder
so I can select install x86 drivers and when Windows asks for the drivers I
browse to the folder - select the inf file
and bingo.

Except Canon don't provide their drivers like that anymore - no they come in
a self-installing exe which won't run on a 64bit system.

> And finally, I found this thread that seems like it might be helpful:
> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/23...-printer-vista
>
> I'll try sharing my Canon with my family when I get Windows 7 installed
> again. I just might not tell them...

thanks but as I said - Im back on Vista and everything is set up and working
properly once again.
Im a PC and I sure as **** dont want Windows 7.

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:54:53 -0000, "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Metspitzer" <kilowatt@charter.net> wrote in message
>newshlme59ianb4nn7ah23atr26behec0pner@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:51:11 -0000, "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys n gals
>>>
>>>I have a home network here of 3 PCs - mine was Vista Home Premium 32 - my
>>>brother's still Vista 32 - my sister's Win XP 32.
>>>I have a Canon iP4500 printer which I shared over the LAN (and it was easy
>>>to do so) but I've upgraded to Windows 7 64bit
>>>and setting up the printer sharing is a nightmare. I've emailed Canon and
>>>they replied that the ip4500 is not a network printer (whatever that
>>>means!)
>>>and pointed me to a file download. No instructions were included so I
>>>downloaded and ran the file but I see no difference at all - no extra
>>>options and still no printer sharing.
>>>
>>>Obviously I've sent Canon and rather terse reply - I've got a camera,
>>>printer and scanner from them and this is the first time Ive had to
>>>trouble
>>>them for help and this is the level of support I get!
>>>
>>>Can you guys help please?
>>
>> This is how I got Vista printing on an XP machine.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....07b7bb29b61a17
>
>Thanks very much for all the help guys but I've finally given up and
>reinstalled Vista. Got printer and file sharing going in 5 minutes easily.
>I tried doing it from my machine with Win7 64bit and it simply wouldn't
>accept the Canon 32bit driver because it came as self-installer that
>wouldn't run
>on a 64bit system. Approaching the problem from the other end - add Printer
>and manually specifiy port threw up an error message that the server didn't
>contain the correct driver. Canon were utterly useless - they gave a bog
>standard reply to my first email which was worthless and when I replied with
>even more detail they simply didn't reply. I even phoned Microsoft and spent
>half an hour talking with a very pleasant Asian gentleman in Pakistan or
>India who I constantly had to ask to repeat himself because I hadn't a clue
>what he was saying.
>
>The printer problem has been a real thorn but its not just that. I have a
>Digital TV card and record programs (Emma, Defying Gravity, Have I got News
>for You etc) and share them. The new Media Center (which I dont like at all)
>records in MTV format which wont play back on my sisters XP machine so I'd
>have to convert them manually to DVR-MS format which is a chore I just don't
>need. Vista comes with Movie Maker which I can use to edit out the adverts
>if I want to - with Windows 7 you have to download it separately from
>Windows Live. I like to see at a glance what folders I have shared but with
>Windows 7 they've taken that away by removing that icon.
>
>So I'm back on Vista and wondering what to do about my £60 coaster.


You know you are correct... I tried sharing my printer on Win 7 64 bit
to an xp laptop. Permissions problem with homegroup, Win 7 only wants
to share with other win 7 machines.
Actually I just did it to see what the problem was. I only use
network printers here, no usb or parallel port connections. I truly
think that is the way to go anyway, printer always available without
any other computer turned on.

Sleepy wrote:

> Well you'd be wrong - there's a box below the Sharing section to add
> "Additional Drivers" and when you select it you > then see tick boxes for
> 'Ithanium drivers' (whatever those are) 'X64 drivers' (ticked) and 'X86
> drivers' (unticked) - so the option to add 32bit drivers is there.

Presumably for the other computers to "download" but can't they be
installed directly on the other computers? Well, I'll find out soon enough!

> What I needed was the 32 bit drivers for my 12 month old printer unpacked
> in one folder so I can select install x86 drivers and when Windows asks for
> the drivers I browse to the folder - select the inf file and bingo.
>
> Except Canon don't provide their drivers like that anymore - no they come
> in a self-installing exe which won't run on a 64bit system.

The .exe doesn't run, but you do have access to the other computers. You
can download the program and run the install until the files are unzipped
into the TEMP directory and copy them from there. An unnecessary hoop,
but not insurmountable. And amazingly, 7-Zip, when instructed to open the
archive that same installation program finds only an .icm file, which is an ICC
Color profile.

> thanks but as I said - Im back on Vista and everything is set up and working
> properly once again. Im a PC and I sure as **** dont want Windows 7.

LOL! I'm a PC and I'm tired of waiting for virtual memory in XP. I have
8 GB of RAM that I actually want to use for some serious multitasking.
That's the ONLY reason I'm switching. Ain't there alway growing pains...

"Fishface" <fishface@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Sleepy wrote:
>
>> Well you'd be wrong - there's a box below the Sharing section to add
>> "Additional Drivers" and when you select it you > then see tick boxes for
>> 'Ithanium drivers' (whatever those are) 'X64 drivers' (ticked) and 'X86
>> drivers' (unticked) - so the option to add 32bit drivers is there.
>
> Presumably for the other computers to "download" but can't they be
> installed directly on the other computers? Well, I'll find out soon
> enough!

tried that but when I try to add a printer on the other machine and specify
a port they then want to download the drivers from the host machine and
throw up an error message that the host machine doesnt contain the correct
drivers (the 32bit ones)

I even ran the 32bit installer on the other machines first but Vista and XP
dont seem to know they have available drivers before
querying the host machine.

I did get a call back from Microsoft this morning (which surprised me - tech
support that calls you back to see how you're getting on - whatever next?!)
and I explained the problem and that Ive gone back to Vista. I did ask if I
could at some point reinstall Windows 7 but using the 32bit disc or was I
now commited to 64bit seeing as I'd used the key with the 64bit version and
activated it? They said I could use the 32bit version if I wanted to which
is a big relief.

So Im going to do some research on the issues that cropped up and maybe try
again with Windows 7 in a few weeks.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:34:01 -0000, "Sleepy" <nospam@here.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Fishface" <fishface@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Sleepy wrote:
>>
>>> Well you'd be wrong - there's a box below the Sharing section to add
>>> "Additional Drivers" and when you select it you > then see tick boxes for
>>> 'Ithanium drivers' (whatever those are) 'X64 drivers' (ticked) and 'X86
>>> drivers' (unticked) - so the option to add 32bit drivers is there.
>>
>> Presumably for the other computers to "download" but can't they be
>> installed directly on the other computers? Well, I'll find out soon
>> enough!
>
>tried that but when I try to add a printer on the other machine and specify
>a port they then want to download the drivers from the host machine and
>throw up an error message that the host machine doesnt contain the correct
>drivers (the 32bit ones)
>
>I even ran the 32bit installer on the other machines first but Vista and XP
>dont seem to know they have available drivers before
>querying the host machine.
>
>I did get a call back from Microsoft this morning (which surprised me - tech
>support that calls you back to see how you're getting on - whatever next?!)
>and I explained the problem and that Ive gone back to Vista. I did ask if I
>could at some point reinstall Windows 7 but using the 32bit disc or was I
>now commited to 64bit seeing as I'd used the key with the 64bit version and
>activated it? They said I could use the 32bit version if I wanted to which
>is a big relief.
>
>So Im going to do some research on the issues that cropped up and maybe try
>again with Windows 7 in a few weeks.

What I did in this situation was to browse the network for the printer,
then when it balked at the drivers I browsed to drivers folder I'd copied
off the original Canon CD, into the Win2000 folder and then into the x64
folder. Those drivers worked fine and now I can print across the network
from my W7 x64 machine to the Canon iP4500 on my Windows Server 2003
machine.