I'm on the planning stage of building a new computer and have the
following questions:
1. Is an old SATA cable (1.5 mb) compatible with SATA2, or are there
new ones?
2. Is a SATA DVD/CD burner appreciably faster then the old IDE model?
3. What addon cards use the PCI express x 1 slot? I found, so far,
RAID cards, NICs and modems. None of which is really necessary in a
modern MB.
In article <158v04t9qac2nbhet8ri7he94utmaq04ct@4ax.com>, memenme@email.com says...
> I'm on the planning stage of building a new computer and have the
> following questions:
>
> 1. Is an old SATA cable (1.5 mb) compatible with SATA2, or are there
> new ones?
Try it. It will either work or it won't. It won't kill anything if it
doesn't. That said, the biggest problem I've had with SATA cable is
poor connections. They tend to become unseated. I've taken to using
SATA II < they're backwards compatable > that have latches that stay
seated. Such as:
> 2. Is a SATA DVD/CD burner appreciably faster then the old IDE model?
Not that I've been able to tell. I tend not to burn at the fastest
speed rated on the media; less coasters that way.
> 3. What addon cards use the PCI express x 1 slot? I found, so far,
> RAID cards, NICs and modems. None of which is really necessary in a
> modern MB.
Sound cards, video cards, tv cards... what were you looking for in
particular?
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:22:27 -0700, Bill
<spamtrap@tinlc.lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>In article <158v04t9qac2nbhet8ri7he94utmaq04ct@4ax.com>,
>memenme@email.com says...
>> I'm on the planning stage of building a new computer and have the
>> following questions:
>>
>> 1. Is an old SATA cable (1.5 mb) compatible with SATA2, or are there
>> new ones?
>
> Try it. It will either work or it won't. It won't kill anything if it
>doesn't. That said, the biggest problem I've had with SATA cable is
>poor connections. They tend to become unseated. I've taken to using
>SATA II < they're backwards compatable > that have latches that stay
>seated. Such as:
>
> http://www.okgear.com/gears/SATA_CABLE_SERIES.htm
>
>
>> 2. Is a SATA DVD/CD burner appreciably faster then the old IDE model?
>
> Not that I've been able to tell. I tend not to burn at the fastest
>speed rated on the media; less coasters that way.
>
>> 3. What addon cards use the PCI express x 1 slot? I found, so far,
>> RAID cards, NICs and modems. None of which is really necessary in a
>> modern MB.
>
> Sound cards, video cards, tv cards... what were you looking for in
>particular?
>
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>
> Google always provides.
>
> Bill
thanks, Bill. Not looking for anything in particular. Just it's the
first MB that I used that has PCI-e. The graphics card goes into the
x16, and I thought what a waste it is to have 2 x1 slots not used.
In article <b9ev04t82t50qn02j7dfiqoms5qvjud7v9@4ax.com>, memenme@email.com says...
>
<snip>
>
> thanks, Bill. Not looking for anything in particular. Just it's the
> first MB that I used that has PCI-e. The graphics card goes into the
> x16, and I thought what a waste it is to have 2 x1 slots not used.
>
>
Well, PCI-E is fairly new. The technology is transitioning from PCI
to PCI-E. Manufacturers are just showing up with X1 sound, video, and
tv cards. The comm cards were developed earlier.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:22:27 -0700, Bill
<spamtrap@tinlc.lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>In article <158v04t9qac2nbhet8ri7he94utmaq04ct@4ax.com>,
>memenme@email.com says...
>> I'm on the planning stage of building a new computer and have the
>> following questions:
>>
>> 1. Is an old SATA cable (1.5 mb) compatible with SATA2, or are there
>> new ones?
>
> Try it. It will either work or it won't. It won't kill anything if it
>doesn't. That said, the biggest problem I've had with SATA cable is
>poor connections. They tend to become unseated. I've taken to using
>SATA II < they're backwards compatable > that have latches that stay
>seated. Such as:
>
> http://www.okgear.com/gears/SATA_CABLE_SERIES.htm
Followup question on this: If I use a SATA I cable on a SATAII drive,
will the drive function @ 3Gb or 1.5? Is there any documentation on
this?
Jack wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:22:27 -0700, Bill
> <spamtrap@tinlc.lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <158v04t9qac2nbhet8ri7he94utmaq04ct@4ax.com>,
>> memenme@email.com says...
>>> I'm on the planning stage of building a new computer and have the
>>> following questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Is an old SATA cable (1.5 mb) compatible with SATA2, or are there
>>> new ones?
>> Try it. It will either work or it won't. It won't kill anything if it
>> doesn't. That said, the biggest problem I've had with SATA cable is
>> poor connections. They tend to become unseated. I've taken to using
>> SATA II < they're backwards compatable > that have latches that stay
>> seated. Such as:
>>
>> http://www.okgear.com/gears/SATA_CABLE_SERIES.htm
> Followup question on this: If I use a SATA I cable on a SATAII drive,
> will the drive function @ 3Gb or 1.5? Is there any documentation on
> this?
See the table in section 2.2 on PDF page 13. SATA 1.5Gbit/sec cable
is compatible with SATA 3.0Gbit/sec cable. That is the only reference
I was able to find the last time I looked. Obviously, the unscrupulous
vendors (the "monster cable" types), will be telling you something else.
In terms of the cables offered for sale, you may find three basic
types. The original internal SATA cable, had no mechanism for cable
retention. The next version of cable, had a plastic "lip" on one side, and
a "metal tab with teeth" on the other. This allows the cable to be
retained, so it won't fall out. The motherboard connector has to have
the necessary plastic retention feature, so the metal bit can secure itself.
(Mixing old and new types, means no better retention. Both ends should be
the new type for it to work.)
The third kind of cable, is for ESATA or external (enclosure) SATA. The
connector style doesn't have the L shaped key, and has a higher quality
metal section on it, which is good for a lot of insertion/removal
cycles.
In addition to the three basic cables, there are connectors which are
straight, ones that are "left handed" and ones that are "right handed".
Depending on the proximity of the connectors on the motherboard, and
whether a long video card passes over the internal SATA connector field,
determines what kind of cables will be needed. A good motherboard should
already have considered the video card fit, when it comes to the cables
that are bundled with the motherboard. Otherwise, there are plenty of
sources of SATA cables, some of which have nice color pictures of the
product.
In article <tgqv04h1nf18avjagk0j5il5logt7kv12k@4ax.com>, memenme@email.com says...
>
<snip>
> Followup question on this: If I use a SATA I cable on a SATAII drive,
> will the drive function @ 3Gb or 1.5? Is there any documentation on
> this?
>
I think Paul has answered your question. I'll just add that a 3Gb
drive is only going to run at 1.5Gb if the controller is 1.5Gb no
matter what the cable. If you have trouble check to see that the speed
jumper < if any > is in the proper position. Some drives auto-
negotiate the speed, some don't.
Bill wrote:
> In article <tgqv04h1nf18avjagk0j5il5logt7kv12k@4ax.com>,
> memenme@email.com says...
> <snip>
>
>> Followup question on this: If I use a SATA I cable on a SATAII drive,
>> will the drive function @ 3Gb or 1.5? Is there any documentation on
>> this?
>>
>
> I think Paul has answered your question. I'll just add that a 3Gb
> drive is only going to run at 1.5Gb if the controller is 1.5Gb no
> matter what the cable. If you have trouble check to see that the speed
> jumper < if any > is in the proper position. Some drives auto-
> negotiate the speed, some don't.
>
> Bill
I've seen some mention of VIA Southbridges, not playing nice with the
speed thing. With a VIA Southbridge, you can try using the jumper on the
drive, the one that sets the interface to 1.5Gbit/sec. The jumper info
may or may not be on the drive label itself, in which case, you'll have
to try the manufacturer's web site. (FAQ section or Knowledgebase.)
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