I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
don't know?
On Mar 28, 1:24 pm, Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
<boobooililili...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
> don't know?
>
> --
> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 7/8
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:24:22 -0400, Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
<boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
>a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
>work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
>another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
>fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
>wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
>don't know?
Blame the hard-drive controller. At this point I'd hesitate to buy a
new IDE drive controller, in favor of SATA.
Phisherman wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:24:22 -0400, Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
> <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
>> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
>> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
>> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
>> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
>> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
>> don't know?
>
>
> Blame the hard-drive controller. At this point I'd hesitate to buy a
> new IDE drive controller, in favor of SATA.
Well my MOBO has both PATA and SATA. I have IDE 1 and IDE 2 and also
SATA 1 and SATA 2 I already was running a 320 gig SATA on that mobo. I
wanted to add another drive of the PATA variety in case the hard drive
in another computer craps out I can use it there.
My mobo also has both the AGP 4x-8x video adapter socket and the PCI
Express x16 video socket. It's a PCChips K8 A31G.
I just don't know why the fine wire ribbon cable don't work. Can they
BOTH be bad? I suppose so OR incompatible with MOBO? I don't know.
> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
> don't know?
>
The newer style cable has 80 wires - 40 extra grounded wires to reduce
cross-talk between adjacent signal wires. Another difference: on the
old style, wire number 28 was cut between the two drive sockets. This
was support for cable select (CS) mode operation of two drive on one
IDE channel: the master drive was connected to the middle connector and the
slave to the end connector. For the newer 80-wire cable used with CS,
the master drive is connected to the end connector, slave in the middle
and blue connector goes to m/b.
Roby wrote:
> Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ? wrote:
>
>> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
>> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
>> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
>> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
>> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
>> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
>> don't know?
>>
> The newer style cable has 80 wires - 40 extra grounded wires to reduce
> cross-talk between adjacent signal wires. Another difference: on the
> old style, wire number 28 was cut between the two drive sockets. This
> was support for cable select (CS) mode operation of two drive on one
> IDE channel: the master drive was connected to the middle connector and the
> slave to the end connector. For the newer 80-wire cable used with CS,
> the master drive is connected to the end connector, slave in the middle
> and blue connector goes to m/b.
>
> More here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment
>
So I take it if you have the 80 wire cable and do not have harddrives
jumpered for cable select you get a defective condition?
"Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote in
message news:47ed299b$0$4937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
> don't know?
>
> --
> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 7/8
Do not use the older, 40 wire cable...it will slow your system down.
Chances are you just have the drive jumpered wrong
On Mar 29, 9:02 am, Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
<boobooililili...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> So I take it if you have the 80 wire cable and do not have harddrives
> jumpered for cable select you get a defective condition?
>
> --
> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 7/8
No, although its as practical, as not, to favor CS jumpers, as do most
nowadays - if all goes well, imo;- for instance, I've some screwy DVD
writers recently purchased, that haven't adapted well at all,
regardless of a variety of cable selection and jumper settings or
controller assignments. ...Intermittent problems, though, and
unrelated.
If you can duplicate the 80-wire cable problem across "backwards
compatibility" for other devices, then you've a controller/MB issue,
possibly a dated one at that. IOW- if it's only a 80-wire cable and
never a 40-wire that is causing problems. If not, it's conceivable
the HD manufacturer's implementation of industry standards exhibits
some variance from equipment, presumably newer, you're working with.
> Roby wrote:
>> Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ? wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
>>> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
>>> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
>>> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
>>> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
>>> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
>>> don't know?
>>>
>> The newer style cable has 80 wires - 40 extra grounded wires to reduce
>> cross-talk between adjacent signal wires. Another difference: on the
>> old style, wire number 28 was cut between the two drive sockets. This
>> was support for cable select (CS) mode operation of two drive on one
>> IDE channel: the master drive was connected to the middle connector and
>> the
>> slave to the end connector. For the newer 80-wire cable used with CS,
>> the master drive is connected to the end connector, slave in the middle
>> and blue connector goes to m/b.
>>
>> More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment
>>
> So I take it if you have the 80 wire cable and do not have harddrives
> jumpered for cable select you get a defective condition?
>
No. The 80-wire cable should be used regardless of HD setup for a newer
drive. If you use a 40-wire cable, it is likely that the controller will
drop down to a lower transfer speed due to higher error rate (crosstalk
noise). 80-wire should work fine regardless of setting CS or not.
Cable select works with either type of cable ... but which is the master
HD depends on 40 vs 80 wire, and the 40-wire cable is still a problem
with a faster drive.
philo wrote:
> "Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> message news:47ed299b$0$4937$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I bought a new 500 gig hard drive today. It came with an IDE cable with
>> a blue tip and the fine, tiny wires flat ribbon cable. Well it didn't
>> work with that cable. I have another cable like that that came with
>> another harddrive a few years ago. It don't work either. Only the old
>> fashioned IDE ribbon cables with the fat wires work. I thought the
>> wiring was the same; straight through; on both. So, what is it that I
>> don't know?
>>
>> --
>> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 7/8
>
>
> Do not use the older, 40 wire cable...it will slow your system down.
>
> Chances are you just have the drive jumpered wrong
>
>
Well it's working fine with my 40 wire cable. It won't work at all with
the 80 wire cable. I don't understand it. Except the possibility that
both 80 wire cable I have are defective including the one that came with
the Seagate drive.
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