In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
<invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>Frank McCoy wrote:
>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "Damian" <nospam@rabid-dog.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>>>>>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blank discs aren't blank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some unformatted floppies are.
>>>>>>>> Same thing with unwritten CD-ROM disks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Several years ago there was a good movie called, "The Subject Was
>>>>>>> Roses." You should see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't see what that movie had to do with blank disks; <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it make sense if he had said "The Subject Was DVDs"?
>>>>>
>>>> Possibly; but blank DVDs like blank CDs *are* blank.
>>>
>>> I buy a hundred or so DVDs a month. None I've bought so far have been
>>> completely blank, they all have had format information so the OS and
>>> Apps can recognize what they are. Where do you get your "blank"
>>> DVDs? ...and how do you get them to work.
>>>
>> Look again.
>> They ARE blank.
>> No format information on them or even needed.
>> They write their own when you write the disk.
>> If you look closely at the active side of a CD or DVD, you can even
>> SEE the areas that are written, and those that are not.
>>
>> Look at them under a microscope, if you want to see the exact details.
>>
>> Unwritten CDs and DVDs are blank; I repeat: BLANK!
>> They'd be pretty much useless if they weren't.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure how rewritable CDs and DVDs work when writing over
>> a given track.
>
>Download this freebie, read a "blank" (according to you) DVD and then
>explain the data you just read from it.
>http://www.vso-software.fr/products/.../inspector.php
>
>After that, you may **** off.
>
You mean the information that tells what size the disk is and what speed
it supports?
Yeah, real data there.
NOT.
Somebody is going to read that information and find out what kind of
stuff you have on your computer?
I think not.
Kind of like detecting whether a 3 1/2" floppy drive supports
double-side or double-density. Yeah, right.
Frank McCoy wrote:
> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>
>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "Damian"
>>>>>>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>>>>>>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blank discs aren't blank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some unformatted floppies are.
>>>>>>>>> Same thing with unwritten CD-ROM disks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Several years ago there was a good movie called, "The Subject
>>>>>>>> Was Roses." You should see it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't see what that movie had to do with blank disks; <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it make sense if he had said "The Subject Was DVDs"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly; but blank DVDs like blank CDs *are* blank.
>>>>
>>>> I buy a hundred or so DVDs a month. None I've bought so far have
>>>> been completely blank, they all have had format information so the
>>>> OS and Apps can recognize what they are. Where do you get your
>>>> "blank" DVDs? ...and how do you get them to work.
>>>>
>>> Look again.
>>> They ARE blank.
>>> No format information on them or even needed.
>>> They write their own when you write the disk.
>>> If you look closely at the active side of a CD or DVD, you can even
>>> SEE the areas that are written, and those that are not.
>>>
>>> Look at them under a microscope, if you want to see the exact
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Unwritten CDs and DVDs are blank; I repeat: BLANK!
>>> They'd be pretty much useless if they weren't.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure how rewritable CDs and DVDs work when writing
>>> over a given track.
>>
>> Download this freebie, read a "blank" (according to you) DVD and then
>> explain the data you just read from it.
>> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/.../inspector.php
>>
>> After that, you may **** off.
>>
> You mean the information that tells what size the disk is and what
> speed it supports?
>
> Yeah, real data there.
> NOT.
Sorry idiot, it IS real data... including the Manufacturer.
Frank McCoy wrote:
> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>
>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "Damian"
>>>>>>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>>>>>>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blank discs aren't blank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some unformatted floppies are.
>>>>>>>>> Same thing with unwritten CD-ROM disks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Several years ago there was a good movie called, "The Subject
>>>>>>>> Was Roses." You should see it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't see what that movie had to do with blank disks; <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it make sense if he had said "The Subject Was DVDs"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly; but blank DVDs like blank CDs *are* blank.
>>>>
>>>> I buy a hundred or so DVDs a month. None I've bought so far have
>>>> been completely blank, they all have had format information so the
>>>> OS and Apps can recognize what they are. Where do you get your
>>>> "blank" DVDs? ...and how do you get them to work.
>>>>
>>> Look again.
>>> They ARE blank.
>>> No format information on them or even needed.
>>> They write their own when you write the disk.
>>> If you look closely at the active side of a CD or DVD, you can even
>>> SEE the areas that are written, and those that are not.
>>>
>>> Look at them under a microscope, if you want to see the exact
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Unwritten CDs and DVDs are blank; I repeat: BLANK!
>>> They'd be pretty much useless if they weren't.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure how rewritable CDs and DVDs work when writing
>>> over a given track.
>>
>> Download this freebie, read a "blank" (according to you) DVD and then
>> explain the data you just read from it.
>> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/.../inspector.php
>>
>> After that, you may **** off.
>>
> You mean the information that tells what size the disk is and what
> speed it supports?
>
> Yeah, real data there.
> NOT.
>
> Somebody is going to read that information and find out what kind of
> stuff you have on your computer?
>
> I think not.
>
> Kind of like detecting whether a 3 1/2" floppy drive supports
> double-side or double-density. Yeah, right.
Why do you insist on proving you're a fool? Remember what the OP contained:
"When I put in a blank disk it takes a moment (maybe 10 seconds or so) to
read the disk."
It is fact; the "blank" disk is being read, it contains data that identifies
it as a DVD-R or as a DVD+R, It has information on it that identifies its
supported recording speeds, ad infinitum. You've gone on some tangent about
Blank HDs, Blank FDs, etc. that have nothing to do with the OP's question,
nor with what you are trying to argue (incorrectly, I might add) with
'relic'.
Bottom line: 'relic' is correct, you are 100% wrong. Take his suggestion:
**** off, and stop providing more prove that you are an idiot; we all see
it!
>I have a samsung dvd burner <...> It burns fine. I can <...> play [a
>recorded disk] on the home dvd player.
Does a capacity of blank DVD's correspond to the source volume? I know that
some of them are slightly larger than an overburn limit of 4.7, so you may
not see the supplementary stuff :-(.
Advise: if you are doubtful about the actual volume of a stuff you want to
write on a 4.7 DVD, create an image of a projected disk (use an 'Image
recorder' option instead of 'Samsung DVD' in Nero).
My record was 4.640.959.556 (with all overburning options). Note that if a
HDD volume on which you place an image is FAT32 - formatted, then an image
is split between two files; the first one is always 4.294.967.295 bytes
(xxx.nrg), and second (named xxx.nrg.001) shall be up to 325.000.000; less
or more - depends upon recorder and disks.
After a proper image is created, you may:
- record DVDs from it;
- load it as a virtual drive (Nero Image Drive); in this case size does not
matter.
> Problem is <...> it's failing to verify the disk.
A source disk may have some 'hidden' tricks. I know that an 'Alcohol 120%'
software has some means to consider them, and to make your copy 'more
exact'. A help file for this prog may tell you more upon that subject.
Frank McCoy wrote:
> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>
>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "Damian"
>>>>>>> <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt "relic"
>>>>>>>>> <invalid.address@relic211.cjb.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blank discs aren't blank.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some unformatted floppies are.
>>>>>>>>> Same thing with unwritten CD-ROM disks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Several years ago there was a good movie called, "The Subject
>>>>>>>> Was Roses." You should see it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't see what that movie had to do with blank disks; <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it make sense if he had said "The Subject Was DVDs"?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly; but blank DVDs like blank CDs *are* blank.
>>>>
>>>> I buy a hundred or so DVDs a month. None I've bought so far have
>>>> been completely blank, they all have had format information so the
>>>> OS and Apps can recognize what they are. Where do you get your
>>>> "blank" DVDs? ...and how do you get them to work.
>>>>
>>> Look again.
>>> They ARE blank.
>>> No format information on them or even needed.
>>> They write their own when you write the disk.
>>> If you look closely at the active side of a CD or DVD, you can even
>>> SEE the areas that are written, and those that are not.
>>>
>>> Look at them under a microscope, if you want to see the exact
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Unwritten CDs and DVDs are blank; I repeat: BLANK!
>>> They'd be pretty much useless if they weren't.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite sure how rewritable CDs and DVDs work when writing
>>> over a given track.
>>
>> Download this freebie, read a "blank" (according to you) DVD and then
>> explain the data you just read from it.
>> http://www.vso-software.fr/products/.../inspector.php
>>
>> After that, you may **** off.
>>
> You mean the information that tells what size the disk is and what
> speed it supports?
>
> Yeah, real data there.
> NOT.
>
> Somebody is going to read that information and find out what kind of
> stuff you have on your computer?
>
> I think not.
>
> Kind of like detecting whether a 3 1/2" floppy drive supports
> double-side or double-density. Yeah, right.
Don't look now ****wit, but it is DATA; just like you've been told.
Frank McCoy wrote:
>>> Clean the LED on your drive, using any of the various cleaning tools
>>> out there. If that doesn't work, then replace the drive.
>>
>> Bad idea. Cleaning the LED on a DVD usually ends its life. The old
>> "CD Cleaning" discs are for CDs, not DVDs.
>>
> They work for both. LOOK at their specifications.
> Besides, it's either clean the crap off the Laser or throw the drive
> away. Your choice.
Rephrased: "...it's either clean the crap off the Laser and throw the broken
drive away, or throw the drive away with crap on the Laser. Your choice."
>I have a samsung dvd burner <...> It burns fine. I can <...> play [a
>recorded disk] on the home dvd player.
Does a capacity of blank DVD's correspond to the source volume? I know that
some of them are slightly larger than an overburn limit of 4.7, so you may
not see the supplementary stuff :-(.
Advise: if you are doubtful about the actual volume of a stuff you want to
write on a 4.7 DVD, create an image of a projected disk (use an 'Image
recorder' option instead of 'Samsung DVD' in Nero).
My record was 4.640.959.556 (with all overburning options). Note that if a
HDD volume on which you place an image is FAT32 - formatted, then an image
is split between two files; the first one is always 4.294.967.295 bytes
(xxx.nrg), and second (named xxx.nrg.001) shall be up to 325.000.000; less
or more - depends upon recorder and disks.
After a proper image is created, you may:
- record DVDs from it;
- load it as a virtual drive (Nero Image Drive); in this case size does not
matter.
> Problem is <...> it's failing to verify the disk.
A source disk may have some 'hidden' tricks. I know that an 'Alcohol 120%'
software has some means to consider them, and to make your copy 'more
exact'. A help file for this prog may tell you more upon that subject.
>>Bad idea. Cleaning the LED on a DVD usually ends its life. The old "CD
>>Cleaning" discs are for CDs, not DVDs.
>>
>They work for both. LOOK at their specifications.
>Besides, it's either clean the crap off the Laser or throw the drive
>away. Your choice.
See "Notes on the Troubleshooting and Repair of Compact Disc Players
and CDROM Drives":
Among other things, the author cautions that one should "NEVER put [a
CD lens cleaning disc] into a high-X CDROM (DVD player or DVDROM
drive). The high speed rotation may cause the cleaning disc and/or
player/drive to self destruct".
- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
"Frank McCoy" <mccoyf@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Franc Zabkar
> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>
> Or try getting a CD/DVD cleaner.
> The drive might need replacing too.
>
I've got a cd\dvd cleaner, one of those with the small bristles, but I'm not
sure how well they actually work, but I'll give it a try.
Craig wrote:
> "Frank McCoy" <mccoyf@millcomm.com> wrote in message
> news:4ll663hlubtp2rbip3h3a93lhj1n40sglk@4ax.com...
>> In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Franc Zabkar
>> <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
>>>
>> Or try getting a CD/DVD cleaner.
>> The drive might need replacing too.
>>
> I've got a cd\dvd cleaner, one of those with the small bristles, but
> I'm not sure how well they actually work, but I'll give it a try.
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