Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
Jim <chief_jim go.com> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>>
>> Linux is a server operating system.
>>
>> For the vast majority of personal computer users, using Linux is at
>> best a hobby. If you have lots of time on your hands, it might be
>> fun, but don't expect the overall experience to be productive.
>>
>
> Your statement was quite correct, several years ago. Fortunately I,
> and many others, have learned it is very much a mainstream OS for
> the desktop.
Over 10 years ago, when I first signed on with an Internet service
provider and joined their discussion groups, there were two
technically inclined users discussing Linux. The one was like you,
suggesting that Linux was a mainstream operating system or that it
could be. The other one called Linux "the Holy Grail of personal
computer operating systems". Over 10 years later, that is still
correct (and amusing), and until market forces cease, it will remain
correct.
When you promote Linux as a PC operating system, you show a major lack
of understanding about why Windows is and remains the only viable PC
operating system. When you tell people that Linux is a good personal
computer operating system, you make Microsoft very happy too. You are
some of the best public relations Microsoft doesn't even have to pay
for.
>
>
>
> Path: newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net!newsdst02.news.prodigy. net!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy .net!news.glorb.com!hwmnpeer01.lga!news.highwinds-media.com!hw-filter.lga!newsfe12.lga.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
> From: Jim <chief_jim go.com>
> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070801)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
> Subject: Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
> References: <lOGdnc49vcKRKyXbnZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d comcast.com> <vnhui.107$Fn.46 newsfe12.lga> <9Tiui.13242$eY.3295 newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>
> In-Reply-To: <9Tiui.13242$eY.3295 newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Lines: 15
> Message-ID: <Qgjui.10$Wj4.7 newsfe12.lga>
> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:09:27 -0400
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.112.25.63
> X-Complaints-To: abuse cv.net
> X-Trace: newsfe12.lga 1186578608 69.112.25.63 (Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:10:08 MST)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:10:08 MST
> Organization: Optimum Online
> Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:494479
> X-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:10:08 EDT (newsdbm02.news.prodigy.net)
>
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
John Doe wrote:
> Jim <chief_jim go.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> Linux is a server operating system.
>>> For the vast majority of personal computer users, using Linux is at
>>> best a hobby. If you have lots of time on your hands, it might be
>>> fun, but don't expect the overall experience to be productive.
>>>
>> Your statement was quite correct, several years ago. Fortunately I,
>> and many others, have learned it is very much a mainstream OS for
>> the desktop.
>
> Over 10 years ago, when I first signed on with an Internet service
> provider and joined their discussion groups, there were two
> technically inclined users discussing Linux. The one was like you,
> suggesting that Linux was a mainstream operating system or that it
> could be. The other one called Linux "the Holy Grail of personal
> computer operating systems". Over 10 years later, that is still
> correct (and amusing), and until market forces cease, it will remain
> correct.
>
> When you promote Linux as a PC operating system, you show a major lack
> of understanding about why Windows is and remains the only viable PC
> operating system. When you tell people that Linux is a good personal
> computer operating system, you make Microsoft very happy too. You are
> some of the best public relations Microsoft doesn't even have to pay
> for.
How do you explain this:
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ubuntu Dell Now In UK, France, and Germany |
| from the world-domination dept. |
| posted by kdawson on Tuesday August 07, @22:16 (Linux Business) |
| http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl.../08/07/2343235 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------+
[0]mrcgran writes "Dell announced the [1]availability of Ubuntu in
Europe and future plans for China. 'I hinted at this before, but today,
it's official: Dell announced that consumers in the United Kingdom,
France and Germany can order an Inspiron 6400 notebook or an Inspiron
530N desktop with Ubuntu 7.04 pre-installed... In his LinuxWorld
keynote, Kevin Kettler announced that Dell and Novell intend to offer
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 factory-installed on select consumer
notebooks and desktops in China.'"
John Doe is a professional User Group killer. His real name and
address was discovered by cross referencing his E-mail address of
several years ago (lshap...@hotmail.com) with an online ad he placed
to sell a used computer.
An investigation paid for by me revealed Mark Bender to have been
arrested twice for domestic violence and to have had a major lawsuit
against him which causes him to live in an impoverished, crack ridden
neighborhood in San Antonion, TX.He is known by his neighbors as El
Gatero Loco, the crazy cat man (and not meant affectionately).
Below my name is the Investigative report on this malacious loser
Mark
Bender.
Martin Markoe, eMicrophones, Inc
Serving the Speech Recognition community for 14 successful years
SUMMARY OF INVESTIGATION
Our office found Mr. Mark Bender's current address is 509 Frost, SATX
78201, to be owned by Ms. Gloria Trevino. There are many rental homes
in this area. Mr. Bender has never owned property. He does not own a
vehicle. He doesn't have a TX Driver's license. He does have a TX
State ID. He has been arrested twice for Assault/Family/Domestic
Violence. Both charges were dismissed. There is a possibility that
the
"Mark Bender" named in the Bexar County Civil case for damages could
be the same Mark Orrin Bender with in this report. The court
documents
would to be ordered at any additional cost to the client.
Subject Information:
Name: MARK ORRIN BENDER DOB:01/22/1957
SSN: 507-82-xxxx issued in Nebraska between 01/01/1972 and
12/31/1973
Age: 50
Criminal Records:
Texas Arrest Report:
Name: MARK BEDNER
SSN: 507-82-xxxx
Address: 5200 BLANCO RD 407, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7074
State of Origin: Texas
County of Origin: Bexar
Party Status: REL'D ON P-R BOND
DOB: 01/22/1957
Race: White
Sex: Male
Eyes: BLUE
Height: 5' 06"
Weight: 160
Arrests:
Arrest #1
Case Type:
Arrest Date: 01/25/1987
Arresting Agency:
Arrest Type:
Arrest Disposition Date: 01/25/1987
Court Fine: Offense: ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY
Arrest Statute:
Agency Case #: 366381
Arrest Level/Degree: Class A Misdemeanor
Arrest Disposition: BOOKED
CASE NUMBER 366381 displayed
successfully
Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
07/24/2007
Texas Case Page
10:46:19
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----
Court Case Number Defendant Name
Date of
CR7 366381 BEDNER,
MARK Birth
01/22/1957
Offense Description Level Sex:
MALE
02/21/1986 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
WHITE
Location :
CLOSED
Last Setting: Grand Jury: 05/13/1986
FILED
Case Status: 06/29/1987 *** JN CLOSED
***
Disposition : 06/29/1987 DSMD-INTRST
JUSTCE
Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
Hrs
MIKE HERVEY 9546500
Term:
Fine:
Court
Cost:
CASE NUMBER 348742 displayed
successfully
Bexar County Criminal Justice Information System
07/25/2007
Texas Case Page
09:57:05
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----
Court Case Number Defendant Name
Date of
CR7 348742 BEDNER, MARK
Birth
01/22/1957
Offense Description Level Sex:
MALE
08/05/1985 ASSAULT-BODILY INJURY MA Race:
WHITE
Location :
CLOSED
Last Setting: 09/23/1985 TRIAL Grand Jury: 08/12/1985
FILED
Case Status: 08/12/1988 *** JN CLOSED
***
Disposition : 09/23/1985 DSMD-
OTHER
Judgement :
Bond: CLS 09/23/1985
800.00
Start: End: By: BAIL BONDS, PERSONAL
PROGRAM
Defense Attorneys Bar Number Yrs Mo Dy
Hrs
MERCEDES JEAN KUTCH 11770545 Term:
Fine:
Court
Cost:
Bexar Possible Civil:
Cause Nbr 1986CI10562 displayed
successfully
***** Bexar County Centralized Docket System
*****
07/24/2007 - Docket Information -
11:04:15
__________________________________________________ _________________________*
___
Selection: __ Actions: _
(A,C,D,M,P)
CASE NBR: 1986CI10562____ PRINT RT LABELS? N (Y/
N)
Date Filed: 06/12/1986 Court: 166_ Unpaid Balance:
0.00
Type of Docket: PID__ PERSONAL INJURY &
DAMAGES
* * * S T Y L E * *
*
MAX WHITMAN & HARRIET
WHITMAN_____________________
VS MARK BENDER
&_____________________________________
DISCOVERY LEVEL:
_
Account Type: __ Account Number:
____________
Access: _ PUBLIC Status: D
DISPOSED
List Type: C
CIVIL
Litigant(s) for Cause Nbr 1986CI10562 displayed
successfully
***** Bexar County Centralized Docket System
*****
07/24/2007 - Litigant Information -
11:05:23
__________________________________________________ _________________________*
___
Selection: __ Case Nbr:
1986CI10562____
Style: MAX WHITMAN & HARRIET WHITMAN vs MARK BENDER
&
Court: 166 Docket Type: PERSONAL INJURY & DAMAGES
Status:
DISPOSED
Actions: (A,D,M,P) Unpaid Balance: 0.00 Account
Number:
Seq Last /First /Middle Name Lit. Type/Attorney
Date
_ 00001 WHITMAN MAX PLAINTIFF
06/12/1986
DROZD, LINDA M
210 498-0663
_ 00002 WHITMAN HARRIET PLAINTIFF
06/12/1986
DROZD, LINDA M
210 498-0663
_ 00003 BENDER MARK DEFENDANT
06/12/1986
EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE
210 731-6300
_ 00004 DR PEPPER BOTTLING COMPANY DEFENDANT
06/12/1986
EZZELL, JAMES MICHAE
210 731-6300
Active Address(es):
MARK O BENDER - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR
COUNTY (Nov 2005 - May 2007)
Current phones listed at this address:
BENDER MARK (210) 734-3107
TREVINO MICHELLE (210) 736-5743
Property Ownership Information for this Address
Property:
Parcel Number - 08441-026-0240
Lot Number - 24
Owner Name 1 - TREVINO GLORIA C
Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX
78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Owner's Address - 509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO
TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY
Land Usage - SFR
Total Value - $79,610
Land Value - $13,230
Improvement Value - $66,380
Land Size - 9,000
Year Built - 1926
Homestead Exemption - YES
Exterior Walls - STUCCO
Roof Type - ASPHALT SHINGLE
Air Conditioning - AC.CENTRAL
Heating - FORCED AIR
Sale Price - $0
Legal Description - NCB 8441 BLK 26 LOT
24 & 25 & 26
Data Source - A
Neighborhood Profile (2000 Census)
Average Age: 37
Median Household Income: $38,438
Median Owner Occupied Home Value: $47,100
Average Years of Education: 10
Address Summary:
509 FROST, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-3347, BEXAR COUNTY (Nov 2005
-
May 2007)
4210 309 APT B, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201, BEXAR COUNTY (Dec 2002 -
Oct 2003)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B309, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1912,
BEXAR COUNTY (Jan 1991 - Jan 1999)
5347 BLANCO RD APT B8, SAN ANTONIO TX 78216-7027, BEXAR COUNTY
(Apr 1986 - Dec 1992)
4210 FREDERICKSBURG RD APT B316, SAN ANTONIO TX 78201-1914,
BEXAR COUNTY
7458 LOUIS PASTEUR DR APT 701, SAN ANTONIO TX 78229-4517,
BEXAR
COUNTY
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
John Doe wrote:
> Senex <senex65 gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Stupid *******!!!!
>
> So far, two out of three of your replies in this group consist of
> a comment like that.
>
> Are you nym shifting? Just curious.
He might have a mirror finish on his computer case...
--
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
~Mike Hollywood wrote:
> xp pro, 80 gig drive, 4 partitoins,: os, programs, data, and a spare of
> 10gigs, all ntfs
> older duron AMD system: ecs mobo circa 2000 with bios same age. 1.6 g cpu
> speed.
> fsb is 100 mb/sec i think. 256 mb pc100 ram (2X128), burner, cd, etc.
>
> so i got a linux ubunto disk, and before I do anything stupid I thought I'd
> post here
> and find out where the alligators are, if any.
>
> I have zero experience with linux. Same with duel booting.
> The disk I have will load itself into memory and
> then when you reboot it's gone.
> It also allows for an install, where it loads onto the hard drive.
>
> 2 questions:
> uno: will it load into the empty ntfs partion?
> dos: If so, how do you tell the mobo to boot to that partiton when you
> want to?
>
> Thanks,
> mike
You have identified the two biggest issues in setting up a Linux system:
partitioning and booting. If you can get past those, you aren't likely
to have much trouble with the rest.
Your hardware should be adequate for the latest Ubuntu (7.04). If you
find it isn't, there are Ubuntu versions designed for much older
hardware. Ubuntu is a good choice as it is easier to set up and seems
to have better interactive performance than Fedora or Suse.
Start by backing up your XP data.
Ten GB of hard drive is plenty for the Ubuntu system. It will leave you
with several GB for data. One way to partition is to select from the
menu something like "manual partitioning". You will delete the 10GB
NTFS partition, giving you 10GB free space. From that you create a swap
partition (say 1 or 2 GB) and use the remainder for an ext3 partition on
which you will mount /.
If you find that your XP system seems to have disappeared, don't panic.
It is probably still there, but the boot arrangement has been messed
up. If that happens, you can get back to your XP system by using the
MS-DOS program FDISK with the option /MBR. In that case you can still
use the Ubuntu CD to boot the Ubuntu system that you installed.
Dual booting complicates things quite a bit. An easier, more relaxing
way to get your feet wet would be to unplug your present hard drive and
plug in a separate drive for experimenting with Linux. An old 5 GB
drive is enough for that. Certainly you can set up a dual-boot system,
but you will have to be a little more prepared and a little more cautious.
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
> Senex <senex65 gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Stupid *******!!!!
>
> So far, two out of three of your replies in this group consist of
> a comment like that.
>
> Are you nym shifting? Just curious.
You will note that in all instances I refer to you as the stupid
arrogant ignorant *******.
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
Senex <senex65 gmail.com> wrote:
>> Senex <senex65 gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Stupid *******!!!!
>>
>> So far, two out of three of your replies in this group consist of
>> a comment like that.
>>
>> Are you nym shifting? Just curious.
>
> You will note that in all instances I refer to you as the stupid
> arrogant ignorant *******.
In your other post to this group, you referred to someone else as "one
conflicted and confused piece of work".
And in the only other group you have posted to
(can.internet.highspeed), you appear to be a chronic troll shilling
for Linux.
Are you nym shifting? Using sock puppets?
Out of curiosity, I'm trying to figure out why you would be posting to
a Canada newsgroup while your header information points to Germany (or
a German news server).
Inquiring minds need to know.
>
>
>
> Path: newssvr12.news.prodigy.net!newsdbm05.news.prodigy. net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon 04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!goblin1!goblin.stu .neva.ru!newsfeed.datemas.de!news.datemas.de!not-for-mail
> From: Senex <senex65 gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
> Subject: Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:59:06 -0230
> Organization: Datemas.de http://www.datemas.de
> Lines: 15
> Message-ID: <mn.4acf7d78cd6a1750.65451 gmail.com>
> References: <lOGdnc49vcKRKyXbnZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d comcast.com> <vnhui.107$Fn.46 newsfe12.lga> <9Tiui.13242$eY.3295 newssvr13.news.prodigy.net> <mn.42b77d7857a31eb3.65451 gmail.com> <REvui.2029$rG7.1995 nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> X-Trace: news.datemas.de lpnPXnqD45kSZb49lArfcs/xUkokplsA8H3YDzbH2BP+xJaE/TCLz7iq+8fkD5CKdFQ6e9n4SGGoZ/MjBIjf7sQEGQv3/sQzDbfcPvjArWg4Zf+Gw7NX4hOMMV9WXtDOblhsY87d9Kpj60L vDIhM23u9BYZYq5V0OnwPHMYVhWA=
> X-Complaints-To: abuse datemas.de
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:29:11 +0000 (UTC)
> X-Newsreader: MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb
> Xref: prodigy.net alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:494526
>
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
Mike Scirocco <mscir yahoo.com> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
....
>> When you promote Linux as a PC operating system, you show a major
>> lack of understanding about why Windows is and remains the only
>> viable PC operating system. When you tell people that Linux is a
>> good personal computer operating system, you make Microsoft very
>> happy too. You are some of the best public relations Microsoft
>> doesn't even have to pay for.
>
> How do you explain this:
> [0]mrcgran writes "Dell announced the [1]availability of Ubuntu in
> Europe and future plans for China. 'I hinted at this before, but
> today, it's official: Dell announced that consumers in the United
> Kingdom, France and Germany can order an Inspiron 6400 notebook or
> an Inspiron 530N desktop with Ubuntu 7.04 pre-installed... In his
> LinuxWorld keynote, Kevin Kettler announced that Dell and Novell
> intend to offer SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 factory-installed
> on select consumer notebooks and desktops in China.'"
It's not the first time Dell has offered Linux on its PCs.
There's no reason for the Chinese to use Linux when they steal Windows
for free. That goes for most consumers outside of the United States.
China, Russia, and Brazil don't even have copyright law.
There is no reason why a technically inclined and knowledgeable person
would even promote the idea of using multiple operating systems. The
operating system is a standard programmers write to. Real-world
programmers write for Windows because it's the only way to make money.
Consumers buy a computer to run programs, consumers couldn't care less
whether it includes some pie-in-the-sky operating system.
Linux is a server operating system. Businesses will be lucky if
Microsoft doesn't consume that market too.
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system?
> Out of curiosity, I'm trying to figure out why you would be posting to
> a Canada newsgroup while your header information points to Germany (or
> a German news server).
>
> Inquiring minds need to know.
Sieg Heil mother****er.
You *really* need to get something resembling a life *******. But then
from what I've seen on this NG, you're pretty much a perverted useless
sack of **** anyway incapable of interacting on a normal level.
Every time someone says "Linux" in this group, you scream "only for
servers" thus making yourself out to be the stupid, ignorant uninformed
******* you really are.
So, why don't ya just **** off because I can keep this up through
eternity.
Re: can you install linux in a partition on an xp system? 
Linear Mode
