I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
Thanks.
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote...
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz dual
> core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for the
> operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM drive.
> Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
Yes and yes! The WD Raptor is well worth the money for the performance!
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0
> MHz dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM
> drive, for the operating system and the software. I never used a PC
> with a 10,000 RPM drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they
> worth the extra money? Thanks.
How much money do you want to spend on hdd performance and how big a drive
do you need?
Compare SSD or hybrids with pure 10K rpm disk.
From Hitachi's page on their 10K "In determining the benefits of higher
speed hard disk drives, however, there are a variety of factors and
trade-offs to consider. For instance, as the RPM rate increases, other
operational characteristics of hard disk drives also tend to increase:
noise, vibration, power requirements, and heat output. Each of these
environmental factors can negatively impact total cost of ownership,
usability, performance, and end-user productivity. In addition, each
component of the hard disk drive must be optimized to ensure maximum
performance--a feat that some hard disk drive vendors have had difficulty
accomplishing." http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/technolo/10000rpm.htm
Industry-Leading Performance with Hitachi Ultrastar 10,000 RPM Hard Disk
Drives
>
> Hello,
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a
> 3.0 MHz dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a
> 10,000 RPM drive, for the operating system and the software. I
> never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM drive. Have you used these fast
> drives? Are they worth the extra money?
My first was a 37 GB 10,000 RPM Western Digital Raptor. Currently I
have a 150 GB Raptor. Yes, performance is what they are for.
Whenever I do a benchmark, mine comes out at the top of the chart.
The hard drive is probably used more than most people think. It's
probably worth it if you spend a lot of time at your computer,
especially if you want high performance.
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On Jun 2, 7:41 pm, "Talal Itani" <tit...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
> the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
> drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
> Thanks.
>
> T.I.
I bought another HD, guess that makes at least half-a-dozen of them:
couple ATA/133 and four SATA, this one being 3G SATA transfer rates.
Haven't put it in, a 750G for $100US. I suppose programs could be
also allocated for partitions and logical drives placed at the outside
density of 7200 platters, although that's not going to the case with
this one (straight MM streaming).
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
> the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
> drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
What could happen if you just slightly rock the 10000rpm Raptor?
Faster spinning means easier head crash, I suppose. And the heat
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"Talal Itani" wrote in <news:Ay%0k.9108$jN1.2051@trnddc08>:
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
> the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
> drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
> Thanks.
Will you leave empty the bays next to the 10K drive so it can dissipate
the greater heat output?
Is this host going into a lab or otherwise away from your desk (and from
other users) to avoid listening to the higher noise of a 10K drive?
If you don't care about the extra noise and higher heat, why not get a
15K drive (but you'll probably need a SCSI controller)?
If you're interested in increasing overall throughput of your mass
storage subsystem, why aren't you considering RAID, perhaps RAID5 since
you did mention it is for use at work (but for what purpose you never
mentioned).
300GB 10K RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB @ $300 each
or
100GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 16MB @ $60 each X 3 drives (RAID5) = $180
The faster spinning 10K drive would seek faster but the multiple spindle
setup would have faster throughput. You didn't say HOW you were going
to use the hardware.
> Will you leave empty the bays next to the 10K drive so it can
> dissipate the greater heat output?
Do you have data for that claim? If there is any difference between
an ordinary hard drive and a Raptor, heatwise, it's probably very
little.
> Is this host going into a lab or otherwise away from your desk
> (and from other users) to avoid listening to the higher noise of a
> 10K drive?
Have you ever heard a Raptor? I have one and I haven't heard it yet.
> If you don't care about the extra noise and higher heat, why not
> get a 15K drive (but you'll probably need a SCSI controller)?
I haven't noticed extra noise or higher heat. If you're worried
about hard drive heat, by an ordinary computer case that includes an
intake fan blowing over the hard drive rack.
> If you're interested in increasing overall throughput of your mass
> storage subsystem, why aren't you considering RAID,
A single 10,000 RPM hard drive is in fact faster than a single 7200
RPM hard drive, and it's more efficient than using two hard drives.
I'm not arguing against RAID. If a PC user wants even faster hard
drive throughput, two Raptors is probably a good step up from one
Raptor. I'm not arguing for Western Digital either. I would love to
see other hard drive makers join the market.
By the way. Do you have a Raptor or a SCSI hard drive?
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Correction. There is a butterfly test included in the quick test,
that produces an audible sound like a tiny manual transmission car
engine getting up to speed. My small 37 GB model doesn't make that
noise maybe because it isn't capable of running that particular
test.
"John Doe" wrote in <news:Rg31k.6079$mh5.1871@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>
>> Will you leave empty the bays next to the 10K drive so it can
>> dissipate the greater heat output?
>
> Do you have data for that claim? If there is any difference between
> an ordinary hard drive and a Raptor, heatwise, it's probably very
> little.
My hand. When I've worked on hosts that had 10K drives, they simply
felt hotter, even when moved away from other drives or spaced out so
there was an empty bay on each side of the 10K drive. They may have
improved in the last couple of years since but we don't have any hosts
with them anymore.
The other measure is how much power is consumed by the drive. See http://www.silentpcreview.com/article622-page2.html. The WD 10K Raptor
150GB consumes 30% more power at idle and 34% to 47% more power during
seek than the Samsung 7200RPM drive, and more power consumption means
more heat generated.
Although the noise levels were comparable, that isn't the whole story.
A floor fan making a constant and measurably louder whoosh noise is
probably more easily ignored than a much quieter speaker emitting a
constant 1KHz whine. Ever had someone if you heard a noise but you
couldn't hear it? Once you focus in on a noise, it can be hard to
ignore.
>> Is this host going into a lab or otherwise away from your desk
>> (and from other users) to avoid listening to the higher noise of a
>> 10K drive?
>
> Have you ever heard a Raptor? I have one and I haven't heard it yet.
Have you ever heard any other drive? Yeah, if you have a noisy
environment then you probably won't hear the drive unless it is close
enough to you, like sitting atop your desk next to your monitor and a
couple feet in front of your ears. Some workplaces even use pink noise
generators to make the environment even more noisy to drown out
individual noises (so you get to hear the whoosh all day long instead of
hard drives clicking on, people ****ing, the dripping coffee in the
coffee maker, dull out aisleway conversations, etc). Maybe that roar of
air conditioning works to drown out noise in your workplace.
Also, some worker's cubicles or offices have more than just one host,
and the more you add the noisier it gets.
"for work" really doesn't indicate under what environment the host will
be used.
>> If you're interested in increasing overall throughput of your mass
>> storage subsystem, why aren't you considering RAID,
>
> A single 10,000 RPM hard drive is in fact faster than a single 7200
> RPM hard drive, and it's more efficient than using two hard drives.
>
> I'm not arguing against RAID. If a PC user wants even faster hard
> drive throughput, two Raptors is probably a good step up from one
> Raptor.
Only two? Well, you could bigdrive or mirror (RAID 0 or 1) but not RAID
5 (which needs 3 drives minimum).
> By the way. Do you have a Raptor or a SCSI hard drive?
We had them in the lab but built them in our cubicles so it was evident
they were noisier but we didn't care because they went off into the lab.
But, to be fair, there are also noisy 7200RPM drives, too. Back then,
they weren't very big in capacity and were definitely not cost effective
(and still aren't). As I recall, they offered no overall benefit in our
testing setup so we didn't bother getting any more of them. Then we got
stuck with the IT folks leasing the hosts and we couldn't build them
anymore. I can't remember what happened to our old hosts with the 10K
drives in them. A lot of our own-builts disappeared gradually when we
went to leasing (and when we lost hardware control over our test hosts).
is 10,000 RPM worth the extra money ? 
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