"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hello,
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive,
> for the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a
> 10,000 RPM drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the
> extra money? Thanks.
>
> T.I.
>
Check out the reviews on the 640GB WD6400AAKS on Newegg. Its
performance is reported to be very close to Raptor performance, and
it is a very quiet, cool running drive. It does take a while to format.
"Ian D" <taurus@nowhere.com> wrote...
>
> Check out the reviews on the 640GB WD6400AAKS on Newegg. Its
> performance is reported to be very close to Raptor performance, and
> it is a very quiet, cool running drive. It does take a while to format.
The AAKS drives are good (I have a 750 for data backup), but still not as fast
as the Raptors. A Raptor for OS/Apps and an AAKS for data is a good
combination.
Of course, if $$ is a problem and you need the storage space, you can go with
just an AAKS, but you'll lose some performance.
> GUEST wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a
3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM
drive, for
> the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a
10,000 RPM
> drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra
money?
> Thanks.
>
> T.I.
Surely worth it imo. As long as all of your other
components are "performance" grade, a 10,000rpm HD will
make a noticeable difference. At least it has for me.
What is special about the WD6400AAKS, is it faster than other 7200 RPM
Western Digital drivers?
Thanks
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
>> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive,
>> for the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a
>> 10,000 RPM drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the
>> extra money? Thanks.
>>
>> T.I.
>>
>
> Check out the reviews on the 640GB WD6400AAKS on Newegg. Its
> performance is reported to be very close to Raptor performance, and
> it is a very quiet, cool running drive. It does take a while to format.
>
"JR Weiss" <jrweiss98155remove@remove.comcast.net> wrote in
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> Yes and yes! The WD Raptor is well worth the money for the
> performance!
>
>
No it isn't. If you can't wait a mili-sec or two extra for a game or prog
to load then I feel sorry for you. Data is loaded into ram as needed so the
disk performance means squat to game performnce except when loading new
data. Oh, and seeing as you see it is so improtant I hope you don't negate
that advantage performance by using a resident Anti Virus prog. AV resident
shields severely affect disk I/O performance.
> "JR Weiss" <jrweiss98155remove remove.comcast.net> wrote in
>> Yes and yes! The WD Raptor is well worth the money for the
>> performance!
>>
>>
> No it isn't. If you can't wait a mili-sec or two extra for a game
> or prog to load then I feel sorry for you. Data is loaded into ram
> as needed so the disk performance means squat to game performnce
> except when loading new data.
I'm using my second Western Digital Raptor. Have you ever had one?
Where does your data come from? You might be a decent troll but
apparently you aren't a gamer if you think that the amount of data
games load is so little that it would take only 2 ms less time.
Games benefit significantly from a fast hard drive because in fact
sometimes they load of hundreds of megabytes worth of data. I host
Supreme Commander games and I'm always in before the others, partly
thanks to my 10,000 RPM hard drive. I usually monitor system
performance in my secondary monitor and there are plenty of times
during the day when hard drive activity is enough that hard drive
speed matters. Hard drive speed is one of those boring throughput
things that a whizbang type might brush off as not important. But in
fact hard drive speed typically is important if you use your
computer a lot during the day.
> Oh, and seeing as you see it is so improtant I hope you don't
> negate that advantage performance by using a resident Anti Virus
> prog. AV resident shields severely affect disk I/O performance.
Usually when something is strained, you benefit from higher
performance.
Strange, you didn't know that.
If your ulterior motive is trying to find someone to sell you on the
idea, you're welcome.
>
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"Talal Itani" wrote in <news:Ay%0k.9108$jN1.2051@trnddc08>:
> Hello,
>
> I am putting together a performance PC, for work. It will have a 3.0 MHz
> dual core Intel, 4GB 1066 RAM. I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
> the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
> drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
> Thanks.
>
> T.I.
Something else to consider. Newer hard disks that use perpendicular (or
vertical) recording technology (instead of the old longitudinal scheme)
pack more bits within a smaller rotation. That is, at the same
rotational speed, more bits can be read in the time to pass the same
distance for a vertically recorded platter than for a longitudinally
recorded platter. That means a 7200 RPM hard disk can begin to nip at
the heels of the performance of the Raptor X hard disks; however, the
vertically recorded hard disks, although new, are a third the cost of
the Raptors.
Look for the hard disks using the 7200.11 specification.
Less than half the price, more than twice the capacity, but still the
7200.11 still isn't as fast as the Raptor - but will you actually be
able to utilize that higher performance of the Raptor (versus what you
get with the 7200.11 drive) in whatever computer system that you haven't
yet built or spec'd out so far? At 25% less cost ($130) than the Raptor
above, you could get a 7200.11 drive with 5 times the storage (750GB).
If I were building a database or file server in a corporate environment,
and if budgeting weren't a problem (because I would need more of the
pricier Raptor drives for the same storage capacity as the cheaper
7200.11 drives) then I'd get the Raptor drives. But for a home system
where my budget is more constrained then I'd go for the 7200.11 drives.
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 03:25:14 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in
part:
> "Talal Itani" wrote in <news:Ay%0k.9108$jN1.2051@trnddc08>:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am putting together a performance PC, for work....
>I would like to put a 10,000 RPM drive, for
> > the operating system and the software. I never used a PC with a 10,000 RPM
> > drive. Have you used these fast drives? Are they worth the extra money?
>... T.I.
>...
> Look for the hard disks using the 7200.11 specification.
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/3...ttern,663.html
> (use the Choose Benchmark button to pick which benchmark to look at)
>
> WD 150GB 10K Raptor $170
> Seagate 320GB 7200.11 $70
> (from newegg.com)
>
> Less than half the price, more than twice the capacity, but still the
> 7200.11 still isn't as fast as the Raptor - but will you actually be
> able to utilize that higher performance of the Raptor (versus what you
> get with the 7200.11 drive) in whatever computer system that you haven't
> yet built or spec'd out so far? At 25% less cost ($130) than the Raptor
> above, you could get a 7200.11 drive with 5 times the storage (750GB).
>...
I have an older system ( Compaq 700S Pentium 4 2.4GHz) with PATA on
the motherboard. The SCSI and SATA controllers seem to be limited by
the PCI interface for disk to disk operations, but the disks seem to
limit things for reads or write involving only one disk.
I use a WDC WD1500ADFD-00NLR 150gB 10K RPM Raptor for the system disk
and the first 500GB of a Seagate ST31000340NS 1tB 7200RPM ES.2 for the
data disk, using a PATA-to-SATA converter.
It seems like for my typical load the 7200RPM disk beats the
Raptor. This is probably due to the faster data rate on the higher
capacity disk and the limited stroke. (The ES.2 seems to beat
even a Seagate ST3146755LW 15K RPM SCSI for my benchmarks. I
haven't been able to try a SCSI drive as the system disk. I haven't
tried using just the outer 150gB part of a 1000tB 7200.11 or ES.2 as
a system disk. The WD1500ADFD-00NLR beats using the first
outer 150gB of a 7200.10 as my system disk)
My expectation is that paging would be fastest on the SCSI
drive, followed by the 10K Raptor, followed by Seagate 7200.11
on SATA or with SATA-to-PATA converter, but I haven't done tests.)
I was planning to try a WD1500GLFS (10K RPM VelociRaptor, 150gB),
as a system disk but Western Digital has removed it from their site
without ever actually selling them and only sell a 300GB model.
> "John Doe" wrote in <news:Rg31k.6079$mh5.1871@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>:
>
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>
>>> Will you leave empty the bays next to the 10K drive so it can
>>> dissipate the greater heat output?
>>
>> Do you have data for that claim?
> My hand.
Right or left?
>>> Is this host going into a lab or otherwise away from your desk
>>> (and from other users) to avoid listening to the higher noise of a
>>> 10K drive?
>>
>> Have you ever heard a Raptor?
<Snipped a very long "no" answer>
>> By the way. Do you have a Raptor or a SCSI hard drive?
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