no post on box swap need to see BIOS

I have a box I just transferred all working hardware to from a working
computer that will now not post

Does have no OS as tossed an old 20gig and installed a new Seagate
160gig in its place.

Was in a box that an 24/7 for about 5 years without a feakin' hiccup
and moved those hardware items to a new shorter case to fit under a
desk. That and the small 20gig was the reason I did this.

The CD writer light and power light on the case comes on but no option
to get to BIOS. Could this brand new PSU be bad? MAybe I am missing
some simple thing someone could point out. I have put about 20
computers together but may have missed or forgot something. It is
driving me nutty and I wanted it up and out of my way before my wife
came back from a biz trip.

I do have an almost identical box I retired with same m-board that was
working fine but does have an OS but is Win 98SE. I was thinking of
throwing the 160 in that one to see what I get.

This is a computer my Wife uses for her online class and summer break
is almost over and she is starting to look at me sideways. If I don't
get this thing going, I might be going. Kidding!

Anyway it is a SOYO board
P-III 1ghz
Mushkin 512mb
Seagate 160
Plextor 708 DVD
2 Maxtor 20gig as slaves
SB-Live
Antec 400 Watt 2.0 PSU

I could probably and might post this to a hardware group but I happen
to like this one. It is so, well I just can't put my finger on it.
Maybe so many interesting knowledgeable types here.

Regards,

Roscoe aka MrShade




Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.

"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
news:4ss983hrpfbdvma453ckg15vejfjpi9ppu@4ax.com...
>I have a box I just transferred all working hardware to from a working
> computer that will now not post
>
> Does have no OS as tossed an old 20gig and installed a new Seagate
> 160gig in its place.
>
> Was in a box that an 24/7 for about 5 years without a feakin' hiccup
> and moved those hardware items to a new shorter case to fit under a
> desk. That and the small 20gig was the reason I did this.
>
> The CD writer light and power light on the case comes on but no option
> to get to BIOS. Could this brand new PSU be bad? MAybe I am missing
> some simple thing someone could point out. I have put about 20
> computers together but may have missed or forgot something. It is
> driving me nutty and I wanted it up and out of my way before my wife
> came back from a biz trip.
>
> I do have an almost identical box I retired with same m-board that was
> working fine but does have an OS but is Win 98SE. I was thinking of
> throwing the 160 in that one to see what I get.
>
> This is a computer my Wife uses for her online class and summer break
> is almost over and she is starting to look at me sideways. If I don't
> get this thing going, I might be going. Kidding!
>
> Anyway it is a SOYO board
> P-III 1ghz
> Mushkin 512mb
> Seagate 160
> Plextor 708 DVD
> 2 Maxtor 20gig as slaves
> SB-Live
> Antec 400 Watt 2.0 PSU
>
> I could probably and might post this to a hardware group but I happen
> to like this one. It is so, well I just can't put my finger on it.
> Maybe so many interesting knowledgeable types here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roscoe aka MrShade
>
>
>
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.

did you take plenty earth precautions during the transfer.....

try booting with the hard drive unplugged.

restore BIOS to defaults ie remove battery for a few seconds.

try agin

"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
news:4ss983hrpfbdvma453ckg15vejfjpi9ppu@4ax.com...
>I have a box I just transferred all working hardware to from a working
> computer that will now not post
>
> Does have no OS as tossed an old 20gig and installed a new Seagate
> 160gig in its place.
>
> Was in a box that an 24/7 for about 5 years without a feakin' hiccup
> and moved those hardware items to a new shorter case to fit under a
> desk. That and the small 20gig was the reason I did this.
>
> The CD writer light and power light on the case comes on but no option
> to get to BIOS. Could this brand new PSU be bad? MAybe I am missing
> some simple thing someone could point out. I have put about 20
> computers together but may have missed or forgot something. It is
> driving me nutty and I wanted it up and out of my way before my wife
> came back from a biz trip.
>
> I do have an almost identical box I retired with same m-board that was
> working fine but does have an OS but is Win 98SE. I was thinking of
> throwing the 160 in that one to see what I get.
>
> This is a computer my Wife uses for her online class and summer break
> is almost over and she is starting to look at me sideways. If I don't
> get this thing going, I might be going. Kidding!
>
> Anyway it is a SOYO board
> P-III 1ghz
> Mushkin 512mb
> Seagate 160
> Plextor 708 DVD
> 2 Maxtor 20gig as slaves
> SB-Live
> Antec 400 Watt 2.0 PSU
>
> I could probably and might post this to a hardware group but I happen
> to like this one. It is so, well I just can't put my finger on it.
> Maybe so many interesting knowledgeable types here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roscoe aka MrShade
>
>
>
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.

This may be obvious...check for the motherboard shorting to the chassis.
And, of course, double check all cabling.
Jack R

Unfortunately that older motherboard that you kept and installed in the new
case has a BIOS that is too old to recognize the newer larger harddrives
such as your 160 GB. The motherboard might be able to recognize a harddrive
as large as 40 GB, if you can find one that small for sale. Basically, it's
time for a new motherboard.

--
---------------------
DaveW
"Roscoe P Pendoscoe" <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote in message
news:4ss983hrpfbdvma453ckg15vejfjpi9ppu@4ax.com...
>I have a box I just transferred all working hardware to from a working
> computer that will now not post
>
> Does have no OS as tossed an old 20gig and installed a new Seagate
> 160gig in its place.
>
> Was in a box that an 24/7 for about 5 years without a feakin' hiccup
> and moved those hardware items to a new shorter case to fit under a
> desk. That and the small 20gig was the reason I did this.
>
> The CD writer light and power light on the case comes on but no option
> to get to BIOS. Could this brand new PSU be bad? MAybe I am missing
> some simple thing someone could point out. I have put about 20
> computers together but may have missed or forgot something. It is
> driving me nutty and I wanted it up and out of my way before my wife
> came back from a biz trip.
>
> I do have an almost identical box I retired with same m-board that was
> working fine but does have an OS but is Win 98SE. I was thinking of
> throwing the 160 in that one to see what I get.
>
> This is a computer my Wife uses for her online class and summer break
> is almost over and she is starting to look at me sideways. If I don't
> get this thing going, I might be going. Kidding!
>
> Anyway it is a SOYO board
> P-III 1ghz
> Mushkin 512mb
> Seagate 160
> Plextor 708 DVD
> 2 Maxtor 20gig as slaves
> SB-Live
> Antec 400 Watt 2.0 PSU
>
> I could probably and might post this to a hardware group but I happen
> to like this one. It is so, well I just can't put my finger on it.
> Maybe so many interesting knowledgeable types here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roscoe aka MrShade
>
>
>
>
> Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
> the more people assume you have.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:41:46 -0700, "DaveW"
<nothing@bot.org> wrote:

>Unfortunately that older motherboard that you kept and installed in the new
>case has a BIOS that is too old to recognize the newer larger harddrives
>such as your 160 GB.

Not necessarily true, I've had several boards from PIII/1GHz
era that supported 48bit LBA (160GB and beyond).



>The motherboard might be able to recognize a harddrive
>as large as 40 GB, if you can find one that small for sale. Basically, it's
>time for a new motherboard.

Nonsense, even boards made in '97 may be able to support up
to 128GB, if the manufacturer supported it properly with
bios updates.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:44:51 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:41:46 -0700, "DaveW"
><nothing@bot.org> wrote:
>
>>Unfortunately that older motherboard that you kept and installed in the new
>>case has a BIOS that is too old to recognize the newer larger harddrives
>>such as your 160 GB.
>
>Not necessarily true, I've had several boards from PIII/1GHz
>era that supported 48bit LBA (160GB and beyond).
>
>
>
>>The motherboard might be able to recognize a harddrive
>>as large as 40 GB, if you can find one that small for sale. Basically, it's
>>time for a new motherboard.
>
>Nonsense, even boards made in '97 may be able to support up
>to 128GB, if the manufacturer supported it properly with
>bios updates.

Thanks for replies.

Well I don't believe it is the HD as it does not even post to BIOS
screen. HD problem would just not see all available space and you can
use add in card to alleviate that issue or drive overlay program from
Seagate or Maxtor........yes?

Regards,

R




Knowledge is like money, the less you talk about it
the more people assume you have.

Roscoe P Pendoscoe wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:44:51 -0400, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:41:46 -0700, "DaveW"
>> <nothing@bot.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately that older motherboard that you kept and installed in the new
>>> case has a BIOS that is too old to recognize the newer larger harddrives
>>> such as your 160 GB.
>> Not necessarily true, I've had several boards from PIII/1GHz
>> era that supported 48bit LBA (160GB and beyond).
>>
>>
>>
>>> The motherboard might be able to recognize a harddrive
>>> as large as 40 GB, if you can find one that small for sale. Basically, it's
>>> time for a new motherboard.
>> Nonsense, even boards made in '97 may be able to support up
>> to 128GB, if the manufacturer supported it properly with
>> bios updates.
>
> Thanks for replies.
>
> Well I don't believe it is the HD as it does not even post to BIOS
> screen. HD problem would just not see all available space and you can
> use add in card to alleviate that issue or drive overlay program from
> Seagate or Maxtor........yes?
>
> Regards,
>
> R
>

Maybe the new power supply is missing -5V, and the motherboard happens
to be one that needs it ?

With regard to the 160GB hard drive, you could try installing the "clip"
jumper on the thing, to see if limiting the drive to 32GB size will
make the BIOS happy. Or will change the symptoms ?

If any of the drives are Western Digital, they have master only, master,
and slave settings. Master only, being when the drive is on the cable
by itself.

Paul

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:17:45 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
<mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:


> Well I don't believe it is the HD as it does not even post to BIOS
>screen. HD problem would just not see all available space and you can
>use add in card to alleviate that issue or drive overlay program from
>Seagate or Maxtor........yes?


Yes, the HDD should not matter when it can't even post.
Even so, it might be good to remove all non-essential parts
leaving only CPU, heatsink/fan, 1 memory module and video
card. While AC is still disconnected, clear CMOS, then
restore AC power and retry it. If this does not work, pull
out the board and place on a non-conductive (not ESD *safe*
material or surface as it would conduct) surface then retry
it.

Also check the battery voltage.

"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:4b7d83p6dud7chbfup19kmr9nivhisl522@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:17:45 -0500, Roscoe P Pendoscoe
> <mrshade@I_wont_see_it.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Well I don't believe it is the HD as it does not even post to BIOS
>>screen. HD problem would just not see all available space and you can
>>use add in card to alleviate that issue or drive overlay program from
>>Seagate or Maxtor........yes?
>
>
> Yes, the HDD should not matter when it can't even post.
> Even so, it might be good to remove all non-essential parts
> leaving only CPU, heatsink/fan, 1 memory module and video
> card. While AC is still disconnected, clear CMOS, then
> restore AC power and retry it. If this does not work, pull
> out the board and place on a non-conductive (not ESD *safe*
> material or surface as it would conduct) surface then retry
> it.

I agree with the idea of removing the MB from the case temporarily and
assembling it on a flat non-conductive surface.

'this will test the possibility that when the MB was mounted in the case
using the normal standoff's, one of the standoffs or some other part of the
case didn't accidently short something out on the MB.

'Sometimes' you have to make sure some of the standoff's are mounted with
little fiber washers so they don't short out the MB to the case. It doesn't
happen very often these days with newer MB, but.....



>
> Also check the battery voltage.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:00:10 -0400, "Timothy Drouillard"
<timothydrouillard@comcast.net> wrote:

<snip>

>'Sometimes' you have to make sure some of the standoff's are mounted with
>little fiber washers so they don't short out the MB to the case. It doesn't
>happen very often these days with newer MB, but.....
>


While it is true the washers could avoid some problems,
fiber washers should never be needed. When they are useful
it is a sign of another problem, whether it be a defective
case (standoff holes drilled in wrong place at the factory,
off by ~ 1mm or more), nonstandard standoffs (overly large),
etc.