In article <7tqp94h4lvt11vjnh47vd7he7ksf39lll4@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> writes
>In message <newscache$np3a5k$x12$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt> "Avelino
>Tavares" <avelino_tavares@netvisao.pt> wrote:
>
>>Use a USB floppy.
>>Easy !
>
>Unfortunately this only works in a very small percentage of cases.
Indeed. There's a very restricted list of 'approved' USB FDDs -- has anyone
managed to buy one of the specified drives?
I've also seen some info somewhere on editing the list of permitted drives, but
never tried it. Don't think it extends to using sticks though.
I ran into this problem recently, with the refinement that I was installing
from a SATA DVD drive. Because I'd configured the SATA ports for RAID, the PC
initially booted from the CD OK, but as soon as it got past that, it crapped
out because the SATA drivers weren't there. It would install fine if the SATA
ports were configured as IDE, or from an IDE CD drive temorarily hooked up.
Just another thing to watch out for.
I solved mine by slipstreaming the drivers onto an install CD, but GOK what
you're supposed to do if you're building your first machine and don't have
another one to do the slipstreaming process on...
DevilsPGD wrote:
>
> In message <newscache$np3a5k$x12$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt> "Avelino
> Tavares" <avelino_tavares@netvisao.pt> wrote:
>
> >Use a USB floppy.
> >Easy !
>
> Unfortunately this only works in a very small percentage of cases.
You need a system that has an option to boot from a USB device, i.e. the BIOS must recognize the USB device.
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Jon Danniken" typed:
> "Paul" wrote:
>> Jon Danniken wrote:
>>> I am putting together a new box within the next week, and will be
>>> attempting to install WinXP (sp2 slipstreamed) onto a SATA HDD.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the board I am getting (Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L)
>>> doesn't have a FDD port (yeah, I know, I sold out).
>>>
>>> I know I could slipstream the drivers onto an installation CD, but
>>> as I already did that for sp2, I really don't want to go through
>>> the hassle of doing it again (I'm out of CDs too).
>>>
>>> So, is there any way to install the SATA drivers using, say, a USB
>>> memory stick? Are they maybe already a part of (included with) the
>>> sp2 release?
>>
>> The Intel Southbridge has three modes for SATA. They are IDE, AHCI,
>> and RAID.
>> The first mode, and possibly the BIOS default, uses a driver already
>> in Windows
>> (for example WinXP SP1 or later). So you shouldn't need to press F6,
>> if using
>> the IDE mode.
>>
>> Before buying any motherboard, you can download the manual and have
>> a look around the BIOS settings. Sometimes, but not that often,
>> there is a section
>> on OS installation. Most motherboard makers leave it to the
>> imagination, as
>> to which modes need drivers added or not. Or whether a RAID setting,
>> will allow separate, single drives, to be run as well.
>
> Thanks Paul, (and everyone else), that doesn't seem to be as bad as I
> had made it out to be. I'll d/l the manual anyway to brush up on
> things.
Good luck Jon. It seems that most people here are happy to run their SATA II
drives in legacy IDE mode and aren't interested in the advancements
available with the interface such as Native Command Queueing (NCQ) and
hot-swaping that are only available in AHCI mode.
I initially did as the Hoi polloi are suggesting, installed using BIOS
defaults. However, after a week of wondering why I couldn't get NCQ working
I managed to find a web site which gave a method of retro-installing the
AHCI drivers (it involved registry surgery). I struggled through it and now
can run in AHCI mode. (Previously, switching to that mode in BIOS would
result in a "OS not found" error or similar [s'been a year] when Windows
started to load.)
I would think that you should be able to load the drivers during install
from a USB stick. I mean, Gigabyte left the FDD controller off the board but
fitted it with a SB/SATA controller that requires drivers installed during
OS install right? Or perhaps they simply assumed that nobody would load XP
onto the thing and Vista treats it differently?
Anyway, not much help, sorry. I hope you get it sorted. Maybe Google for a
post-install methods of 'injecting' the required drivers as I did?
Cheers,
--
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In message <489DB2E4.EA6DE640@bellsouth.net> Mike Walsh
<spam_sucks@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>DevilsPGD wrote:
>>
>> In message <newscache$np3a5k$x12$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt> "Avelino
>> Tavares" <avelino_tavares@netvisao.pt> wrote:
>>
>> >Use a USB floppy.
>> >Easy !
>>
>> Unfortunately this only works in a very small percentage of cases.
>
>You need a system that has an option to boot from a USB device,
>i.e. the BIOS must recognize the USB device.
No, it actually takes a lot more then that.
I've not only booted, but flashed a BIOS update from a USB floppy (this
falls into the "wanted to see if I could" not "I'd recommend doing
this", and on a motherboard with a dualbios implementation)
If the device gets mounted as a USB legacy floppy, the XP/2003 installer
won't see it. The installer isn't just looking for what the BIOS
mounted as A:, it actually appears to be addressing the built-in floppy
controller directly.
In message <489e2bcc$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz> "~misfit~"
<misfit61nz@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>Good luck Jon. It seems that most people here are happy to run their SATA II
>drives in legacy IDE mode and aren't interested in the advancements
>available with the interface such as Native Command Queueing (NCQ) and
>hot-swaping that are only available in AHCI mode.
The funniest part is that people don't seem to mind. I've bumped into
people paying hundreds of dollars for the Raptor series of drives (I had
a 36.7GB myself, modern 7200.11 Seagates outperform 'em), overclocking,
but still running the slowest device in their system, their hard drive,
in legacy IDE mode.
>I initially did as the Hoi polloi are suggesting, installed using BIOS
>defaults. However, after a week of wondering why I couldn't get NCQ working
>I managed to find a web site which gave a method of retro-installing the
>AHCI drivers (it involved registry surgery). I struggled through it and now
>can run in AHCI mode. (Previously, switching to that mode in BIOS would
>result in a "OS not found" error or similar [s'been a year] when Windows
>started to load.)
>
>I would think that you should be able to load the drivers during install
>from a USB stick. I mean, Gigabyte left the FDD controller off the board but
>fitted it with a SB/SATA controller that requires drivers installed during
>OS install right? Or perhaps they simply assumed that nobody would load XP
>onto the thing and Vista treats it differently?
Vista uses a more advanced preboot environment, which among other
things, supports USB devices natively.
>Anyway, not much help, sorry. I hope you get it sorted. Maybe Google for a
>post-install methods of 'injecting' the required drivers as I did?
It's an option, but slipstreaming is a lot less effort.
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:44:11 +1200, "~misfit~"
<misfit61nz@hooya.com.au> wrote:
>Somewhere on teh intarweb "Jon Danniken" typed:
>> "Paul" wrote:
>>> Jon Danniken wrote:
>>>> I am putting together a new box within the next week, and will be
>>>> attempting to install WinXP (sp2 slipstreamed) onto a SATA HDD.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the board I am getting (Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L)
>>>> doesn't have a FDD port (yeah, I know, I sold out).
>>>>
>>>> I know I could slipstream the drivers onto an installation CD, but
>>>> as I already did that for sp2, I really don't want to go through
>>>> the hassle of doing it again (I'm out of CDs too).
>>>>
>>>> So, is there any way to install the SATA drivers using, say, a USB
>>>> memory stick? Are they maybe already a part of (included with) the
>>>> sp2 release?
>>>
>>> The Intel Southbridge has three modes for SATA. They are IDE, AHCI,
>>> and RAID.
>>> The first mode, and possibly the BIOS default, uses a driver already
>>> in Windows
>>> (for example WinXP SP1 or later). So you shouldn't need to press F6,
>>> if using
>>> the IDE mode.
>>>
>>> Before buying any motherboard, you can download the manual and have
>>> a look around the BIOS settings. Sometimes, but not that often,
>>> there is a section
>>> on OS installation. Most motherboard makers leave it to the
>>> imagination, as
>>> to which modes need drivers added or not. Or whether a RAID setting,
>>> will allow separate, single drives, to be run as well.
>>
>> Thanks Paul, (and everyone else), that doesn't seem to be as bad as I
>> had made it out to be. I'll d/l the manual anyway to brush up on
>> things.
>
>Good luck Jon. It seems that most people here are happy to run their SATA II
>drives in legacy IDE mode and aren't interested in the advancements
>available with the interface such as Native Command Queueing (NCQ) and
>hot-swaping that are only available in AHCI mode.
>
>I initially did as the Hoi polloi are suggesting, installed using BIOS
>defaults. However, after a week of wondering why I couldn't get NCQ working
>I managed to find a web site which gave a method of retro-installing the
>AHCI drivers (it involved registry surgery). I struggled through it and now
>can run in AHCI mode. (Previously, switching to that mode in BIOS would
>result in a "OS not found" error or similar [s'been a year] when Windows
>started to load.)
>
>I would think that you should be able to load the drivers during install
>from a USB stick. I mean, Gigabyte left the FDD controller off the board but
>fitted it with a SB/SATA controller that requires drivers installed during
>OS install right? Or perhaps they simply assumed that nobody would load XP
>onto the thing and Vista treats it differently?
>
>Anyway, not much help, sorry. I hope you get it sorted. Maybe Google for a
>post-install methods of 'injecting' the required drivers as I did?
>
>Cheers,
For the average user of a PC SATA in the IDE mode will do the job and
clearly be the simplest to install. I see that NCQ mode can actually
slow down HD performance in some circumstances so it would be best to
establish what the PC will be used for before full guidance is given.
"~misfit~" wrote:
>
> Good luck Jon. It seems that most people here are happy to run their SATA
> II drives in legacy IDE mode and aren't interested in the advancements
> available with the interface such as Native Command Queueing (NCQ) and
> hot-swaping that are only available in AHCI mode.
>
> I initially did as the Hoi polloi are suggesting, installed using BIOS
> defaults. However, after a week of wondering why I couldn't get NCQ
> working I managed to find a web site which gave a method of
> retro-installing the AHCI drivers (it involved registry surgery). I
> struggled through it and now can run in AHCI mode. (Previously, switching
> to that mode in BIOS would result in a "OS not found" error or similar
> [s'been a year] when Windows started to load.)
>
> I would think that you should be able to load the drivers during install
> from a USB stick. I mean, Gigabyte left the FDD controller off the board
> but fitted it with a SB/SATA controller that requires drivers installed
> during OS install right? Or perhaps they simply assumed that nobody would
> load XP onto the thing and Vista treats it differently?
>
> Anyway, not much help, sorry. I hope you get it sorted. Maybe Google for a
> post-install methods of 'injecting' the required drivers as I did?
On the contrary, you've given me a bunch of things I didn't know about, and
it will be a lot easier knowing what I have to do now (found the Intel
Matrix Storage Manager page, which gave me a lot of good information). Mind
you, this is my first experience with SATA parts, and SATA2 for that matter.
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Jon Danniken" typed:
> "~misfit~" wrote:
>>
>> Good luck Jon. It seems that most people here are happy to run their
>> SATA II drives in legacy IDE mode and aren't interested in the
>> advancements available with the interface such as Native Command
>> Queueing (NCQ) and hot-swaping that are only available in AHCI mode.
>>
>> I initially did as the Hoi polloi are suggesting, installed using
>> BIOS defaults. However, after a week of wondering why I couldn't get
>> NCQ working I managed to find a web site which gave a method of
>> retro-installing the AHCI drivers (it involved registry surgery). I
>> struggled through it and now can run in AHCI mode. (Previously,
>> switching to that mode in BIOS would result in a "OS not found"
>> error or similar [s'been a year] when Windows started to load.)
>>
>> I would think that you should be able to load the drivers during
>> install from a USB stick. I mean, Gigabyte left the FDD controller
>> off the board but fitted it with a SB/SATA controller that requires
>> drivers installed during OS install right? Or perhaps they simply
>> assumed that nobody would load XP onto the thing and Vista treats it
>> differently? Anyway, not much help, sorry. I hope you get it sorted.
>> Maybe Google
>> for a post-install methods of 'injecting' the required drivers as I
>> did?
>
> On the contrary, you've given me a bunch of things I didn't know
> about, and it will be a lot easier knowing what I have to do now
> (found the Intel Matrix Storage Manager page, which gave me a lot of
> good information). Mind you, this is my first experience with SATA
> parts, and SATA2 for that matter.
> I will keep the streamlining option open.
>
> Thanks a ton,
You're welcome mate. Personally I don't like paying for advanced features
like NCQ and then leaving the BIOS default of IDE mode because it's too
hard, or someone says that NCQ is sometimes slower if you it happens to be a
northerly wind blowing while the sky is green and it's Wednesday. I've even
found the last two machines I worked on both had Seagate 7200.11 drives and
SATA II mobos yet the wee jumper that limits the transfer to SATA I mode was
still on the HDD!
Good luck,
--
Shaun.
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offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
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